There you go! The official confirmation is out! Messi wins the Ballon D’Or for an unbelievable fourth time in a row. While he keeps breaking one record after the other, you’re only left with thinking ‘records are meant to be broken’. But who other than Messi can win five in a row? If there’s one, he’s right now not there in the football world yet. It’s almost inconceivable that anyone in the current football world can win it five times. It’s more likely to be a new prodigy to take the world by storm than any of the known contemporary footballers (Mata/Hazard/Oscar – prove me wrong!).
This incredible distinction of winning this coveted award four times (that too in a row) only makes the argument stronger and stronger that he’s the best footballer ever. In my opinion, while he’s an incredible footballer, he doesn’t even come in my top five best best footballers ever. If it’s all going to be based on personal records and trophies, Messi is right up there. But it’s never that black and white right?
I have my very well documented reservations about Messi. I feel quite strongly that much of his exploits is because of the fact that he plays for Barca and that’s all he’s done in his senior career. I’m still highly skeptical that he could continue or improve his form in a different set up – different league, different team, different language, different climate, different culture and different philosophy. I find Barca to be his comfort zone.
While Messi is an exceptionally talented player, he’s not a magician as he’s made out to be. He’s not even in my top five most creative players of this generation. By creative I don’t mean ‘creating goals’. By ‘creative’, I refer to the creativity of play. Messi doesn’t do the unimaginable or improbable. He does what he does best and he doesn’t surprise you with what he does but only surprises you with how he does. He’s not the type of player that thrills me like how a Ronaldinho or a Neymar would do.
The incredible thing about Messi is how consistently accurate and effective with what he does and how he’s not been found out yet despite the predictability and limited creativity in his game. For instance, a defender, in a one-on-one situation, will pretty we know what Messi would do but only that he cannot stop him from doing that. That consistency in success is mind blowing.
He also continues to be the most popular footballer and that shows in these polls and awards. It’s easy to support him and back him. He’s the favourite son of football Gods that he’s beyond any criticism whatsoever. Say he’s the best footballer ever you’ll find company. Say he’s not, chances are you’ll be pilloried for that. Such is the aura of ‘uncriticisability’ about him.
Also I think he’s lot more acceptable to the male psyche than someone like a Ronaldo. He’s the more humble, more mellowed character that we instantly accept as a role model for our kids while from the adult eyes we see a lack of personality. The slightly boring personalities are always safe role models. It’s extravagant ones that, as a society, we can’t deal with. Messi is not as gifted with words as he’s with the ball. That works in his favour. He’s never misquoted and he never has to explain what he meant and what he didn’t. There’s no chance of people having to be divided between whether he is confident of he is arrogant. Neither. He’s silent. When footballer of his ability is silent, it’s always considered to be a mark if humility.
In the rare occasions that he does speak, his aura of humility gets exposed. Like in the European player of the year event, he had two minutes to talk and found time to say Chelsea were lucky to beat Barcelona. How about being humble and accept they were beaten fair and square? For all his perceived humility, how about keeping quiet knowing very well that Barca got lucky in 2009 with an incompetent referee?
The moot point is, he has the whole world by his side. He is the most favourite footballer for every man and his dog. He’s reached such pinnacle with his individual records at an incredible acceptance level from media and public alike. What’s next for him? More goals assisted by Iniesta & Xavi, more trophies for Barcelona, more mazy runs and chipped finishes? More of the same?
As a footballer, he’s simply phenomenal. For me, Ronaldo is a more complete player than Messi. Neymar is a more creative player than Messi. But Messi is more efficient and productive than those two. In my mind, Messi is not being talked about because of how he plays football. He’s being talked about because of the output his football produces – in goals and assists.
If Messi had proven his success in a different set up other than Barca and had more creativity in his game, I’d rate him better even if he had half the goals and assists as he has now. That’s why while I’m amazed at his efficiency and productivity, I’m never going to be mesmerised by his magic. Neither by Ronaldo for that matter. Ronaldo is more unpredictable than Messi but still is way too short for the ‘best player of this generation’ tag. Neymar makes my jaw drop. He is a magician that Messi or Ronaldo can never be. He’s a truly creative player that I’d love to see play. He’s a player, if half as efficient, productive and consistent as Messi, would be worthy of the ‘best player’ tag.
As much as it sounds funny to say I do believe there’s definitely room for improvement for Messi. Now an improvement doesn’t mean scoring 100 goals in a calendar year. I’m not talking about increasing, it’s improving. A different dimension in his game. Entering into and conquering an unexplored territory. Not doing the same thing over and over and produce better results. It’s about having the courage and bravado to experiment something new and confirming that he can take his breath-taking football wherever he goes, whatever he does and however he does (like a certain rival of his has proved).
This is a period where the madness around Messi is supposed to reach exponential levels. I very well know that I’ve chosen the wrong time to air my views on the great little man. I have no idea of belittling his achievements because I can’t, no matter what I do. What I’m talking about is the alternative view on Messi which not popular but a view nevertheless. You can dismiss because it doesn’t match with yours. Or you can grudgingly accept some if not all of these views. Certainly my idea is not to undermine him on this day when he’s made another piece of history. See, I’ve even managed to write a whole article about him without any reference to his goal tally against Chelsea . . . Oops.
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Am not whit u lionel messi is best player whatever u say d likes pele didn’t go too anoda club. Messi is a creative player. Messi create chance 4 is team mate too score both country and club. So let accept him has it is who GOD has choose has the leader no one can stop him. Messi can play anywhere in the world. In epl serieA budesliga french league everywhere in the world
As far as am concerned, a man who cldn’t jst score agst chelsea even 4rm d spot is nt worthy 2 b crowned d wrld best.
There can be no doubt that with any other team in the world Messi wouldn’t score as many goals, but I also don’t doubt that in a different team, where every pass and movement wouldnt be made with him in mind, then the extent if his talent would become more apparent. If he was a defensive midfielder, a winger or a #10 then he’d unquestionably be the best in the world, but he is becoming more and more of a specialist goalscorer and I think that’s compromising people’s perception of his talent.
I have to disagree with your phrasing at least when you say Messi could improve by adding dimensions to his game, when I think it’s plain he has the most multi-dimensional skill set on the planet, he just doesn’t take full advantage of it because he doesn’t need to.
simple, the prize of prizes, the fifa world cup, if he doesnt win that for argentina the messi legend will always be reduced. you can win twenty ballon d’ors but if you never lift that world cup, it shows. actually the absence of the world cup if anything allows more critique of his awards.
To be fair, messi has a short career span, he is a little guy who will never be an aerial or physical threat in the game. oddly enough, when you look at drogba compared to messi you see the physical difference of the sport. how a player as little and relatively unathletic as messi can be up against one of the most athletic players in his prime, as drogba.
but the world cup is the real prize. oddly i think when spain won the world cup in south africa, that was messi’s best chance. Brazil under dunga didnt do right in that tournament and that was the one for him to win in. MEssi is a great player but the problem for messi is that he has been bred in barca and is so used to barca’s style that the demands of international play where his teammates dont share that same playing style . di maria, higuain, are used to the direct non possessing style of real madrid, cambiasso was from the very defensively minded inter.
Interesting. If the goal count is not a measure of Messi’s genius, I do think it would largely reduce the adulation for Messi. Call him the most prolific scorer ever. Will suit him.
That’s why I said if he hasn’t been this prolific, I think the question of whether he’s the greatest wouldn’t arise. Because he’d be as good as Samuel Eto’o was with Barca or a better version of the same. Because any world class striker that the Barca defence plays through is going to be among goals.
For me, I don’t find him to be as creative as the greatest ever of the beautiful game could be. He’s incredibly good at what he does and he does that with unbelievable consistency and accuracy. Hats off for that.
I strongly think that’s where the greatness should truly come in. It’s not just a physical or a technical game. There’s so much mental attributes that are there. And they come into play when. You get out of your comfort zone and try to do your magic with everything around changing except you. That’s true mark of greatness. Messi has improved this year with his national team but far from his club form and performance.
That’s why players like Maradona and Zidane are in a different league. They walk into any team and inspire the team and the fans and have an incredible influence on their environment. I wouldn’t put either Ronaldo or Messi in that bracket though Ronaldo is slightly better.
good point blue,
until messi makes argentina the best in the world, he is missing.
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Well Xerxesk, what do you think about Messi’s balon d or win and what’s your opinion on his being hailed as the greatest player ever?
I agree with you in the fact everyone sees him as the player he is, and his goal record helps add onto that, but him playing for Barca also has it’s disadvantages. For example, I’m sure in any team messi could be an amazing or extremely good number 10 or regista, but the barca team is full of playmakers we don’t really see messi’s playmaking as he is surrounded by arguably some of the best midfielders in the world.
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Well it’s hard not to say he didn’t deserve it. But for me personally I think if he wins the World Cup with Argentina we should consider him as the greatest ever, we have blurry vision over calling the greatest ever because he is still playing and because he is so young.
As for the other people on Ballon d or, I think it’s absolutely bs that the likes of Alonso, Marcello and dani alves are in team o the year. What about Ashley Cole and Ivannovic? The fact that the team of the year has not a single player from the team that won the champions league baffles me.
I think even iniesta should not be 3rd choice. What about Pirlo?
That’s a tricky argument to make. One, you can say that about many players. Ronald’s doesn’t get to play as the striker because Benzema and Huguain are there. Messi doesn’t get to play as playmaker as Xavi and Iniesta are there. But you know what, both Messi and Ronaldo are playing the best position and role to get the best out of their abilities.
Also didn’t Messi play in midfield for Argentina in the 2010 World Cup? That was probably his lowest point in his career. He then got back to what he knows best – playing as a forward. I don’t think there’s a playmaker in him. Yes he can set up goals and provide assists but not play as a playmaker. His playing style wouldn’t fit at all.
Do you folks agree that he’s very predictable but still unstoppable?
True. The world XI team is a joke. Again, as I tweeted, this whole thing is a popularity contest. It turned out to be a La Liga XI. Not one player from the champions of europe or england or itlay or germany! No Cech, no Drogba, no Pirlo, no Ashley Cole!
yes, he is predictable and unstoppable, but although he may not be the best playmaker and not as creative as others, any playmaking qualities are overlooked.
how they deem marcelo better than cole is ridiculous
I hate how much Messi is overrated I watched his 91 goals video and so many were just tap ins it was ridiculous. Where was he this year in the big games may I ask? Didn’t score against Chelsea despite Busquets and Iniesta. I mean come on Busquets? It was like his first goal in 2 seasons and yet Messi couldn’t even score a penalty against us its just ridiculous how Ronaldo is excluded from the arguement as best player because of goals and assists. This season he’s been the only somewhat consistent player on the team and I say somewhat because he had more goals last year at this stage but his team is playing quite poorly overall. Ronaldo is a more proven and complete player and people must realize Messi is playing with the core of the spain national team the best national team right now so who do you think is going to get the better service Ronaldo or Messi?
I put Ashley Cole over Marcelo, Lahm over Alves, Hummels over Pique arguable Cech over Casillas because of how many saves Cech made, Van Persie over Falcao, Pirlo over Alonso, Controversial but I’d take Mata over Iniesta as a winger
Messi is the best there is right now. He is efficient , talented and unstoppable. I find it rather ridiculous that in ones own generation all sorts of questions are asked to critique a player but his true value is seen after he retires.
Gerd muller, zico, makelele etc come to mind not saying they werent appreciated but rather people dint know what was in hand until their replacements showed up not half as talented.
If Leo takes the world cup then he becomes a part of the all time elite, but until then I will enjoy his football anyways. I enjoy football and quality players should be savoured. is he the bestest greatest etc etc? Maybe he is maybe he isint but I wont let silly arguments stop me from enjoying such a quality player we will not see again.
This is what I think. Lionel Messi is the best football player of all time. He is better than Pele. Why? Imagine if Lionel Messi played in the 1950′s when the football was not as professional as what it is today? Lionel Messi would have probably scored well over 1000 goals and made all sought of records in that era. Ps. Cristiano Ronaldo is good, but Lionel Messi is better.
While Messi has an unbeatable record, I must say I never rated the defences at La Liga highly. Worst in the top leagues when it comes to defence. In my opinion, Messi could struggle badly at premier league. How I love to see him in the premier league so he can prove me right or wrong!
Dont know how to tell you this ,but what you wrote makes no sense. Messi has the most assists than ronaldo and you still think ronaldo is better than messi?…he has scored the best goals, he is now doublng ronaldos goals in la liga,broke the records what ronaldo didnt do when he was still 24 25….hes 27 now and i am sure messi will take it for the 5th time……that was stupid man how can you even think ronaldo or neymar can compit with that kinda player?…
I personaly do not thnk you also got a comptng argumnt d js like ur star player ronaldo cmpitng wth a wrlds bst plyer……why cnt it be one of the spainish players to be highly rated if it was about spain in barca?..you make players understand you, or you adjust on a styl of play thy are plying and dts what messi has done , adjustd and md both inniesta and xavi understand the way he is plying….and hey man u dnt have 2hit 30m goals in order to be the best in the world what you just realy make a lil bit of a sense and thats only coz u love ronaldo……and i thnk i hd u syng messi ddnt score agaisnt the top teams like chelsea on the semi finals….ronaldo ddnt evn evn mk his team progres to the semi finals and if you rly wtchd the 1s and 2nd round of that semiz u wud see that u being radiculs
I’m guessing you just didn’t read it. Most people think there can’t be any debate about Messi and he’s beyond all that. If you had read, you’d have known that I’m not not talking about his goals or assists. Those are facts. I can’t dispute facts.
I’m asking if Messi can survive and thrive in a system that’s other than Barca. Can he be this good with a different league, language, climate, philosophy etc? That’s the point. There’s no need to debate about Ronaldo because he’s PROVED himself in two top leagues, two different languages, two different climates, two teams of different abilities and two different philosophies and he’s at the top of his game. And Messi has NOT. Hope you got it.
And Neymar is an incredible footballer. Things that he can do with the ball, Messi can’t even dream of. You might say Messi doesn’t need to do but the fact Neymar’s creativity with the ball incredible and I’d never rate Messi highly on creativity. He is all efficiency and accuracy, not creativity.
What is this that ronaldo has that messi doesnt have? Dnt wana tlk more abt neymar still too young
Yes. There’s one massive thing that Ronaldo has done which Messi hasn’t and doesn’t want to do. Test himself and prove himself outside of his comfort zone.
In those two different leags that ronaldo has plyed at has he ever did what messi did no….and hey we all rating sir alex fergson higher dan any ada coach out there but hes only wth united why do i have to change teams in order to be seen as the best in the world?………..but so as i have tld you , you make them understand you or adjust on a styl of play and i dnt thnk a plyer like messi cnt do dt wth the other teams, he recently score a hatrick for his national team, meaning he is gtng there wth them too
LOL! What Ronaldo did and Messi didn’t is – PLAYING & EXCELLING in two different leagues. I wouldn’t rate Alex Ferguson as the best manager ever. Would he maintain that high standard in La Liga in a continental set up with his thick scottish accent? I doubt. That’s why Jose Mourinho is what he is. Goes to any league, in any set up and wins. That’s why Pep Guardiola left Barca. What’s the kick is winning titles with Barca? I’m sure he’s not satisfied with that. He wants to explore and establish himself. Rijkaard won everything with Barca. When he quit Barca, he disappeared from mainstream football. Barca made Rijkaard look good. I will never rate Messi as the greatest ever etc until and unless I’m convinced that he can cut it in different environments.
That said, it’s his life and career. If Messi wants to retire in Barca, bless him. But only don’t force into me the thought (or as a ‘fact’) that he’s the best ever.
P.S: Your spelling is making it really difficult to understand what you’re trying to say.
There will be always 2 faces of the coin and reaching a conclusion that Messi “can’t ” be a great player by virtually setting up limitations(hard to see him flourishing in EPL, Barca system is helping him etc) sounds childish. Messi madness is already exploding and the sole reason is that there is NO other player at this moment who can surpass him- yes, you could put in any parameters in favor of((consistency,goal scoring ability etc)) or against(not played in other teams,poor record with Argentina,not creative and so forth) the great man but name one who is somewhere close to him- overall. Lets not try to break a player and then set up a competition against him based on creativity,goal scoring prowess,influence,behavior and so on.
The player is an overall package and at the end of the day, he delivers results and that too consistently. Agreed that he might not be the greatest yet but your take on him with “your” different dimensions is your view on a player that you got the chance to see alive. Lets just agree to disagree here.
Big correction: No one can say he can’t do it, with certainty – the same way no one can say with certainty that he can do it.
I see enough evidences to say why he would struggle outside of his current comfort zone. The gap between his form for his club and country is massive. Whether he would do well in a different league – your guess is as good as mine.
In this Messi madness, more of a hysterical bandwagon, even simple but obvious things do get forgotten. No one wants those questions to be asked because it ruins the party of the kids going Messi-mad.
You say he may not be the greatest (why would ‘you’ say that?) and I’m saying the same. But I get talked about like I’m belittling Messi and his achievements. How hard is it to agree that he’s a phenomenal player now and then talk about what’s between him and the GOAT title?
Because Messi didn’t eclipse his Barca form with Argentina doesn’t mean he can’t be translated to a great player- he is an astonishing player of the current era. You asked me “why not great” because he is yet to raise the bars higher and at the current pace,Messi’s competition is with himself. Also, you have to judge the greatness of Messi once he call it a day and not now. And compared to players like Puskas or Maradano or a Beckenbauer or a Pele, Messi is the only one right now in our generation who can hold a candle to them.While pure ability and talent often result in trophies, so does being in a team of other talented players. If Messi wins a World Cup it would make him a greater player, but it wouldn’t make him a more talented player.
I don’t think a kid watching Messi dribble past 2 or 3 or 4 players with ease is trying to judge whether Messi can be branded the greatest!Or he can be improved! All they see is a player floating around with slick movements and banging in goals day in day out.And it’s not a boring class room session where experts dissect the match formations,strategy and pass % but relatively simple task of watching a player get on with his task. I am not a mad fan of Messi either but taking away the credits for the joy he is giving to endless football fans by asking him to prove again is questionable.
Every time I raise a question about Messi’s GOAT discussion, I get told what a great player he is. The fact someone even qualifies for the GOAT discussion says a lot about the greatness of the player. You know what, save yourself some time and read what I said about him. Messi is an astonishing, phenomenal, amazing and outstanding player, all right? Now that we’ve got that out of the way, let’s talk about being greatest of all time.
Dude Chillax! I have read your blog article well enough to understand what it’s all about. We get your points and like you said in your blog, one can agree\disagree. Not everyone has the same view. There will be always talks about a player of Messi’s calibre (great,greater,greatest).Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder! Good luck with your blog as most of your articles are written after good analysis.
LOL @ VION! I didn’t mean to have a go at you. It’s just this debate mostly ends in people explaining to me the achievements of Messi and why he’s a great player. That tires me so much.
Don’t know why you feel that way but I’m don’t do any analysis per se. They are thought-through but not really ‘analysed’ as such.