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Where will Ramires play in 2012/13?

Where will Ramires play in 2012/13?

What will happen to Ramires? What will happen to our players’ player of the season? Where will he play on the pitch in 2012/13? The question is now relevant as we have not only firmly shifted our formation to 4-2-3-1 but also have bought specialist players for some of those new positions/roles.

Chelsea are going to play 4-2-3-1 in 2012/13. We can also play 4-3-3 given the talent in our squad. But it’s quite clear it’s gonna be 4-2-3-1 for most part. As we need a minimum of three attacking midfielders on the pitch, we bought the finest of the kind in the market – Hazard, Oscar & Marin to support Mata. You can add Sturridge, McEachran & Piazon to the list. For the two midfield roles, we already have four midfielders – Lampard, Mikel, Essien and Romeu fighting for their places.

Now what does this mean for Ramires? Where will he fit in? As one of the three attacking midfielders or as one of the two defensive minded midfielders? The three attacking midfielders behind the striker need to be quick, nimble and preferably small. They are to interchange among themselves all the time. Ramires is not an out-and-out attacking midfielder like Mata or Hazard or Oscar. Neither is he a winger. He has tremendous pace but not the acceleration and super quick movements and change of direction. He needs space while the three attacking midfielders are expected work through the lack of space and create something.

In the pre-season, he has played as the right midfielder and it seemed to work. I don’t think that is his ideal position and I’m not sure if he would train himself into that role. But he has a sweet finish in his boots. The man can score goals like the ones he scored against Spurs and Barca. But he also needs some space to make his runs and beat his man. You don’t see him wrong foot a couple of players or beat them by a drop of a shoulder. He’s not that type of player. In a way, that can lend some variety but if the three attacking midfielders were to be Mata, Hazard and Oscar, that would give a bigger headache for the opposition than if it has Ramires in it.

Again, in the pre-season, Ramires has not played as one of the two defensive minded central midfielders. It was always Lampard and Mikel. Essien came in as a sub. McEachran also played there. Ramires mostly played as one of the three attacking midfielders and mostly on the right side. Can Ramires play as one of the central midfielders? Yes he can but his defensive possession is quite untested in comparison to that of Mikel and Lampard. Not only that, if Ramires were to play this role, we wouldn’t get the best out of Ramires’s abilities. Probably the best role for Ramires would be a right midfielder, a role that we wouldn’t have in our formation anymore. When we play 4-3-3 though, he’d be the best choice for the right midfielder.

If Ramires were to play as one of the three attacking midfielders, that means one of Mata, Hazard and Oscar having to be on the bench. It’s possible that we alternate between Oscar and Ramires but to be fair to Oscar he is the No.10 for Brazil and that’s something. That not only means he’s ready but also means he’s the best choice to operate in that space. If Ramires were to play as one of the two central midfielders, that would mean benching either Lampard or Mikel. We know that Mikel is a world class defensive midfielder at his age and Lampard still has a lot to offer and his game intelligence and influence is priceless.

We wanted squad depth and this is how it looks like. Your best players of the last season not being sure-starters. So what do you think holds in store for our beloved Rambo Ramires? Do you think he’d play in the layer behind the striker or in the layer in front of the defence?

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  1. Mikel had a good finish to last season, but that was when we played without the ball. Next season we will surely have way more posession and quick passing with great movement is needed, lamps is 35 and mikel has zero passing range.
    It wld be ridiculous to have them both be first choice for Mata hazard Oscar etc, players who like to play crisp and quick.
    Ramires over either ANY day but preferably over Mikel.

  2. Ramires should play as a defensive midfielder.bcoz,he. can play defence as well

  3. I think if we are going to play with two defensive midfielders then that leaves a few players with a problem, not just Ramires. I think both Raul Meireles and Florent Malouda are far better suited to 4-3-3 as well. I think it’s a testament to what a fantastic footballer Frank Lampard is that having played in a 4-3-3 his entire career, this new system doesn’t look like it will be a problem for him at all, even at 34.
    I personally don’t see a place for Ramires in the three behind the striker. I think Mata, Hazard and Oscar are probably the three best players Chelsea have – all definitely better than Ramires at least.
    If he is going to start regularly for Chelsea next year I think he needs to start re-thinking his game a bit and become less attack minded. I think he could end up being a great box to box, deep set midfield player, but the onus is on him to prove he can play that role and not on Chelsea to fit him in somehow.

  4. Mikel had zero passing range? Are u retarded or what? Sh!t

  5. Ramires should be in the deeper role helping mikel. With his pace, he can be adding ti the threat upfront while mikel stabilizes things at the back. Lampard can always come in when occasions arises.

  6. SAMRAT DESHMUKH

    Well last year we played in 4-2-3-1 formation under RDM
    after AVB departure.

    It was very successful and that brought us FA Cup as well as
    Champions League Cup. Now we are building the new team more young attacking
    players are coming in and replacing our old guards.

    After watching all preseason games of USA tour I guess RDM
    is looking for the right balance in the same old of his favored formation of
    4-2-3-1. Though Juan Mata and our new
    signing Oscar are missing who are more than capable of breaking into our first
    team squad.

    In every preseason game we have conceded goal or goals. Last
    season when we played in 4-2-3-1 formation where our attacking trio used to
    fall back when required and do some defensive duties. But now we have some
    new-different players such as Hazard, Marin who are not going back to do
    defensive duties.

    RDM want to build success once more on the same formation
    4-2-3-1 but I guess now he needs to think differently because of new
    accusations. We need to find the right balance a first choice starting XI and
    replacement for each and every position which I guess RDM will surely find very
    soon.

    After today’s game against AC Milan RDM accepted that we
    lacked penetration the final pass was missing and therefore lacked much in
    creating goal scoring chances. We all know this is very early and our new
    signing players need time to settle in. Also one of the key players of last
    season Juan Mata missing and recently signed Oscar one of the future star also
    missing from these games. Yet we should have created some chances. Never mind
    hopefully we will find the right balance before season kicks off.

    We have very crowded midfield presently which will be sorted
    out soon. RDM will off-load some players before the transfer window which will
    include selling as well as loaning out some youngsters.

    If the latest reports are to be believed then De Bruyne is
    on his way to Wender Bremen for season long loan. Malouda and Benayun will be
    sold before transfer window closes. Kakuta might be again send on loan. While
    we all hoped this season Josh Maccharan will break into the team but now it seems
    again he might be send on loan as there are still many players ahead of him in
    picking order. While Lucas Piazon will continue his progress with our reserve
    squad.

    All the above still leaves us with Lampard, Mata, Hazard,
    Ramires, Essein, Mikel, Meireles, Oscar, Marin, Romeu, one more new signing as
    hinted by RDM I guess mostly Victor Moses . So we will be having 11 midfielders
    for the selection of 5 places behind our first choice alone striker Fernando
    Torres.

    The toughest job for RDM is to choose the correct players
    for correct positions as many of our players are versatile. The team balance is
    the key for success. We have now a lot of individual talents now we have to
    bond it into a Team.

    Every one of you will have different thoughts about the choice
    of players and on the formation. I also have my favored formation.

    Chelsea FC formation for next season 4-1-4-1

    Though it’s 4-1-4-1
    formation of player’s actual playing position will be little different
    something like down below:

    ———————————————–CECH———————————————–

    IVANOVIC—————–LUIZ————————–TERRY——————–COLE

    ———————————————-MIKEL———————————————-

    ————————–RAMIRES—————————OSCAR—————————–

    MATA———————————————————————————-HAZARD

    ———————————————-TORRES————————————————

    Substitutes: Turnbull, Cahill, Cesar, Lampard, Essein,
    Marin, Struddige

    This might not be the formation for early season games but
    yes this will help us in long future. Now many of you will argue with me about
    not selecting Frank Lampard in starting XI but he will have his chances as and
    when required, playing in the position of either Ramires or Oscar. Essein
    looked good in preseason games and yesterday only he said in an interview that
    he do not want to leave Chelsea FC and instead will fight for his place, no one
    will argue when Essein is in form he is one of the best box to box midfielder. Mikel
    is selected ahead of Essein on just purely present performances. We will have
    Marin and may be Moses on bench (or any new winger signing to substitute Mata,
    Hazard). Cahill and Cesar(hopefully our new right back) will be on bench to
    replace the defender as and when required. Struddige will be on bench as
    substitute to Torres.

    Now none of you will have doubt about playing Torres as our
    main front striker. Playing Mata and Hazard on right and left wings
    respectively will be an advantage as they whenever wish will cut in and will
    have shot with their preferred foot. Ramires and Oscar will play midfield area
    this will benefit us in many reasons. Both are energetic , hard working
    midfielders. The run of Ramires from midfield or the skills of Oscar such as
    his eye for the ball, great passing ability will make a lot difference. Also we
    all know Ramires is good in some kind of defensive duties and for those who
    don’t know Oscar, he is good in some defensive duties which will help Mikel and
    that’s why none of the wingers will be required to fall back. Also Oscar likes
    to collect the ball from deep midfield and then built up the attack. This means
    Ramires and Oscar will both complement each other very well.

    Some of you will even argue that this will make our midfield
    very light but the way we are looking to build and play the different stylish
    attacking football this will be one of the best suited style.

    Whatever formation we play, whoever breaks into first team
    squad it will be decided by RDM the man who knows best about the team than any
    of us.

    Blues for life……..!!!!!!!!!

    CHELSEA FC till I die……….!!!!!!!!!!!

    SAMRAT DESHMUKH :-CHELSEA FC FAN FROM LAST 12 YEARS.

  7. Cech
    My starting line up will be

    Ivan. Luiz. Terry. Cole

    Mikel/Essien Ramirez/lamps

    Mata. Oscar. Hazard

    Torres

  8. All three behind Torres constantly switching and moving of course. I think Hulk if signed can fit into that as well cos he is very mobile and good dribbler and packs lethal strikes on top

  9. Cyril

    Mind bending argument. U convinced me. Mikel = pirlo

    Samrat

    Gotta agree with a lot of your analysis, the 4-2-3-1 isint working, and without Drogba the attack lacks focus, I hope essien comes back to his best cuz that would really give us the stability in the middle. What I see is that we still lack that cutting edge and for that we need quick young passers who can interplay and also change positions, frankly a very fluid midfield.
    Wanna see more of essien and ramires than Mikel, lamps is a great option to have but to revolve your midfield around a 35 year old for 50-60 games? Another good option could be playing josh alongside essien as a deep play maker.

    Was watching Brazil today and they looked Fine, the passing, the movement, unmarkable and neymar is such an insane talent.
    Want to see us the champions of Europe dominating games and pulverizing teams like that not hiding back and countering, lets get out of this be-safe attitude and start taking games to other teams.
    Even if we want deep playmakers they should be say like kroos or bastian for Munich, khedira, busquets, powerful great passers and box to box, can defend and attack. No more of meriless malouda etc we should look only at pure players now, a new legacy, a new chelsea.

  10. Bluechampion,

    Nice article, mate!

    I would love Chesea to use my formation.

    Michael formation: 4-1-3-2-

    I’m assuming that Roberto Di Matteo will use his favourtie formation.

    Chelsa formation: 4-2-3-1-

    ————————-Cech————————–
    —Ivonovic—–Terry—–Cahill—–Cole———
    —————Ramires—-Meirelles—————–
    —Oscar————Lampard————Hazzard—-
    ————————Torres—————————–

    I would use Ramires the way Germany used Franz Beckenbaur in the 1970′s. Ramires can defend well and go forward and attack when the team can’t unlock the rival team.

  11. It sounds disguting to read that Mikel have 0 passing range. You obviously don’t know football!

  12. Fr francis

    That is my opinion on the player, there is a reason he has never become a permanent sure shot starter despite being here 7 years and still young.

  13. Mikel does have a decent passing range – it isn’t the best though.
    I think the position that he’s played the last seven years we all know was engineered for him by Jose Mourinho and I think he adapted well having played as an attacking midfielder throughout youth levels.
    I think having young, quick players around him for the first time in his career might bring out the best in him. If he adapted once before I’m sure he can do it again. Even if he can’t I’m sure he’ll be more important for us next year than Essien.

  14. What i see here is people underestimating what they have in the squad – good thing RDM is the one to pick the squad. Ramires last season alongside Mata were made men- these guys have outrageous talent- before he was predominantly used in defense due to his ability to work hard and cover large areas ( he wasn’t really a physical guy) however the end of last season saw that he is capable of producing the goods from almost anywhere in the midfield even as a winger which is why you find him being used in that position often.
    Defensively we already have Mikel , Essien , Lampard , Romeu , Meireless and he is also an option. I am not sure if some people really know how to unlock a persons ability further. RDM knows what he wants and that is Victor Moses.
    We have the AMMO this season Ramires , Oscar , Marin , Hazard, Mata ,Piazon
    Depending on who will go out on loan we have a promising squad

  15. Saying Mikel have zero passing range means you don’t know anything about football. The only thing he lack is goal however he is not a defensive midfielder during his Youth level. If u watched his game during the Youth World Cup you will know is a talented Attacking Midfielder. Jose knows his ability that’s why he converted him to Defensive Midfielder and he adapted well. To me, mikel is the best holding midfielder we have , he’s the most disciplined holding midfielder in the world, he doesn’t attacked and doesn’t expose his defenders. I think Ramiers will fit-in with Mikel.. RDM to play MIKEL AND RAMIERS as the defensive midfielder.

  16. Frank Lampard should be on bench this season cos he’s an elder player we need our younger players to be like him people like Mikle,Remires,Meriles,Mata,Hazard,Marin,Josh,Oscar this guys are under age they are below 30. Lampard not need to play all the matches this summer please our manager Robbeo ok. UP BLUES.

  17. Frank Lampard should be on bench this season cos he’s an elder player we need our younger players to be like him people like Mikle,Remires,Meriles,Mata,Hazard,Piazon,Marin,Josh,Oscar this guys are under age they are below 30. Lampard not need to play all the matches this summer please our manager Robbeo ok. UP BLUES.

  18. Jose Mourinho messed up Jon Obi Mikel by playing him as a defensive midfield player. Mikel should have been played as a centre-midfield player his whole career.

    Frank Lampard can start the Chelsea matches and be substituted just after the 60th minute. I would also use Lampard sparingly during the season because of his age.

  19. Felix

    Never been a big Mikel fan, never will be, not saying he is a bad player but if chelsea wants to improve in attack and use posession, dominate games then Mikel does not feature.
    Compare him to the guys playing in his position for other teams, they offer so much more than just defensive cover khedira, busquets, bastian, vidal, cambiasso are some guys off the top of my head. In this day and age even cbs have such skills. Mikel is slow and one dimensional, its a crime to buy hazard, marin, oscar etc and not move the ball to them quick enough.

    You might think him world class, I just watch better football it seems.

    P.s Mikel fans I have no intention to keep on discussing Jon, this is just my own opinion on him.

  20. Ramirez is Our Second Best player and he play the style Of game Chelsea want, So i can be Fit in any attacking Position with is Run, Experience , finishing and ability to move ball….Ramirez can not be on the Bench …he is a kind of player every club need, MARIN OR LAMP. will be at the bench instead of Ramirez ,

  21. I don’t like us playing with 2 defensive midfielders! If we want attractive attacking football we shouldn’t play with 6 “defenders”. We can have one defensive midfielder and if there isn’t a place for Ramires on the wings, use him as a box to box midfielder, he’s got the legs, pace and stamina to run up and down the pitch all day! Mikel did well last season but with Essien fit..he can do all that Mikel can plus more. With this system of only one defensive midfielder, there won’t be so much players’ places under threat as I Think Meireles and Lampard would also rather prefer that role. Then we can play with 3 “central” midfielders, one defensive holding midfielder, either Mikel, Essien or Romeu, one box to box run around midfielder, Ramires, Meireles, Lampard, and one attacking midfielder, Mata, McEachren, Oscar. Then with 2 wide midfielders, Hazard, Marin and maybe another new signing. The versatility of our players would only add depth to our positions as Ramires, Meireles and Lampard can also play deeper. Essien can also play box to box. Hazard and Lampard can also play in central attacking midfield role and Ramires, Oscar, Sturridge and Mata can also play wide. We need 2 more signings to complete our squad! A RB, I’d prefer Gregory van der Wiel! And a winger/striker, I’d still prefer Hulk! Let go (sadly) Ferreira, Bennayoun, Malouda, Then I’d play: 4-1-1-3-1

    Cech
    Van der Wiel, Luiz, Terry, Cole
    Essien
    Ramires
    Hulk, Mata, Hazard
    Torres

    Bench any of the rest of the squad depending on what’s required on the day:
    Turnbull, Hilario, Cahill, Ivanovic, Bertrand, Romeu, Mikel, Meireles, McEachren, Lampard, Oscar, Marin, Sturridge, Lukaku

    I’d would be great if we could have this squad. 25 players, 8 homegrown! Bring on any team! Game On! Chelsea! Chelsea! Chelsea!

  22. Right Back ! hes versatile and very good at all the position. Hes our young Essien! He has played left wing right wing in chelsea and a playmaker in Benfica and Brazil.

  23. My X1 is cech,ivanovic,cole,terry,cahil,essien,remeris,oscar,torris,hazard,mata.i can see clearly from our pre-preseson matchs that,RD dont like essien.why should essien be at bench till 80th munits wen chelsea hav no creative midfilders?our coach should open his eyes well and make a good X1 dis season.

  24. My tuppence on Mikel. He’s world class meaning he could play in any team in the world and still produce great performances like he does for us. His passing range is not his strongest point but that’s because of the role we had given him. His passing style and range was to replicate Makelele – square passes and two yard passes. His primary duty is off the ball and not on the ball. He allows the fellow players to go on a raid while he holds their zone. So he’s primarily an off the ball player.

    That said, I’d agree with Joeblue that what he offers should improve this season. Not sure of you guys noticed – in the pre season, it was Lampard and Essien who sat back while Mikel was pulling the strings just ahead of the half way line with Lamps/Essien behind him. I do see Mikel doing more of that and that could be a very conscious change.

    I think Mikel has that ability but we’ve restricted him too much to see that side of him.

  25. Samrat Deshmukh – That’s a very good comment. I agree with your formation and choice of players. 4-1-4-1 is also Ramires’ best option to participate and contribute.

  26. BC

    Wasant having a swipe at you mate, I agree that he is a good player but have been waiting season after season for him to take his game to the next level and he has failed to do so. Cant help but compare that to ramires or essien who had poor first seasons but came on leaps and bounds.
    If Mikel can finally do that great but I doubt it, 6-7 years is a lot of time.

    Also I agree his duties are off the ball, but thats where I am apprehensive, if things go to plan we will have a large chunk of posession, less chance to counter more to quick pass and get through, for that he seems a misfit. Ramires/ fully fit essien have so many qualities you cant leave them out. Never felt the same for Mikel even after so many years.

  27. Rami would make a world class Right Back. Open your eyes, RDM. You’ve got a gem of a RB in Ramires. Use him…. Remember how well he played in the second game v Barca in the CL when he was dropping back and basically playing as a RB?? Thats not “by chance”. The dude can play there. Ramires doesn’t offer anything of benefit on the right wing except his pace and engine… He’s not a great dribbler, playmaker, or shooter… all qualities a right winger should possess. I’d personally play Mata, Hazard and Oscar/Marin as my 3 in the 4-2-3-1. Rami needs to play RB, in the double pivot, or not start every game.

  28. Roberto Di Matteo should include Frank Lampard in the team just till Hazzard, Marin and Oscar can get some match experience.

  29. ramires shuld be used as the box-box midfielder along with a fit essien. mikel, romeu and mieriles shuld be used in the FA cup & carling cup. the 3 behind torres shuld be Oscar directly behind with Mata & Hazard roaming. Marin & Moses will give us with wen penetration in the midfield becomes difficult, lyk against stoke. we definately need a back up striker though, hw abt leandro damiao

  30. I’m assuming that Roberto Di Matteo will use his favourtie formation.

    Roberto Di Matteo formation: 4-2-3-1-

    ————————-Cech————————–
    —Ivonovic—–Terry—–Cahill—–Cole———
    —————Ramires—-Meirelles—————–
    —Oscar————Lampard————Hazzard—-
    ————————Torres—————————–

    I would use Ramires the way Germany used Franz Beckenbaur in the 1970?s. The way West Germany won the Fifa World Cup 1974 tournament. Ramires can defend well and go forward and attack when the team can’t unlock the rival team. A box-to-box midfield player.

    Frank Lampard will need to be played behind Fernando Torres during this 2012-13 season, because it would be asking to much of Oscar to take up a senior role at Chelsea having just joined the club.

    You also have to take into account that experience counts alot so the more Oscar, Hazzard and Marin can play Chelsea matches in the Barclays Premier League the easier it would be to fade out the likes of Frank Lampard and give Oscar and Hazzard a more senior role in the team.

  31. You have to take into account that Oscar is only 20 yrs old. However, that does not take away the responsibility that lies on his shoulders. But remember that he is still a boy.

  32. The West Germans played a 4-3-3 in the 1974 World Cup, with Beckenbauer at centre half.
    That wouldn’t suit Ramires at all!

  33. Ronin,

    I know. Please look at my formation for Ramires. Cheers, mate!

  34. I personally think he should rotate with Oscar however if Oscar really does very well in his 1st season then on the coarse of the season Ramires’ energy and pace could really aid teh 2 deeper players. If Ramires is to play there then there needs to be a ‘proper’ DM beside him to add balance. It has to be Mikel with either Ramires’ pace and energy or Lampard’s grittiness and creative play. If Oscar and Ramires are to start and if it has to be a 4231 (I’d play a 433 however it looks like RDM is going to use the 4231) then I’d play this team:

    Cech

    Ivanovic – Luiz – Terry – A. Cole

    Ramires – Mikel

    Oscar – Mata – Hazard

    Torres

  35. @michael Where the hell is mata in your line-up?
    Formation: 4-2-3-1
    cech
    iva-terry-cahill-cole
    ramirez-lamps/essien
    oscar-mata-hazzard
    torres.
    I would love it if we had an out-and winger with pace and technique e.g carzola, iffelay or jesus navas. That would give pace and unpredictability in the right flank. Especial if u add azpicueta as a right back.

  36. those peope saying van der wiel should be on the team… while i agree he is awesome, ivanavic is awesome too and is a fucking rock back there. to say we need rami playing right back…. its silly. ivanovic all day. why fuck with a position where we have one of the best defenders in the world already comfortable there (whatever he is really a center back but he plays rb great).

    second: non of you think marin should start? oscar has been playing awesome for brazil, but yeah he is only 20, i think he should start on the bench and then prove himself as a sub and then we can see if he deserves a starting place. but to open the season, start lamps or marin then sub oscar in around 60 mins and work him into the starting lineup like that.

    third: rami was used as a defensive midfielder before in brazil and portugal. he actually should be one of the holding midfielders, with the option to attack if they need him too. he is very disciplined but if asked to attack we all know what he can do. i would play him there next to romeu or mikel (probly mikel). ramires is a GREAT tackler, and is smart with his positioning. his speed is a plus too. the one problem is he always kind of seems uncomfortable on the ball in tricky situations.

    also samrat- your 4-1-4-1 is realy just a 4-3-3. if anything was to change about the formation it would be a 4-1-4-1 with a flat four with mikel behind (essentially a 4-5-1). in a 4-5-1 the midfield from left to right could be : hazard- mata- oscar- rami OR hazard- mata- rami- marin

    OR we could start rami as striker! LAWL

  37. But why do u guys want to play ramirez as a RW?, i want him in the double pivot. I was dissapointed that RDM didnt try him there during the US tour/pre season and let marin lose in the RW.
    I agree oscar shoud be gradualy intergrated in the 1st team and not rushed.
    But i would love an out-and-out-winger (RW).

  38. Ronin,

    Sorry Ronin. Correction. Franz Beckenbauer did not play as a centre-half in the Fifa World Cup 1974 competition. Beckenbauer played in front of the defenders and behind the midfield. This was done so that he could attack and defend. This is what I want Ramires to do.

  39. Soso,

    Hello, mate! This is not my formation, but the formation that I think that Roberto Di Matteo will play during the begining of the Barclays FA Premier League. I think that Di Matteo will play it safe.

  40. @joeblue: Didn’t mean it that way mate. Had to add because the Ramires discussion won’t be complete without the Mikel and Lampard discussions. The thing about Mikel is, he is one of the youngest in his position. Yes there is Busquets but his team has 75% possession in most games and thus not a big enough challenge in my eyes. Being a defensive midfielder in England is also a much bigger challenge. At 25, I think Mikel is very very matured and his performance in the champions league final was brilliant. He delivers in the big games like that. Normally, defensive midfielders will peak between 28 and 34. But at 25, Mikel has already proved that he is a brilliant defensive midfielder in the Makelele mould.

    That said, agree with you that if with the new signings and the direction we are taking Mikel should offer much more than he has offered so far. I saw some indications in the pre-season. I’m confident that he will develop into something that we’ve not seen of him.

  41. Ron Gourlay has confirmed that Oscar will be a starter in the first team alongside Hazard. So there’s no question of gradually easing him into the team. He is Brazil’s No.10. Looking at his style of play, he could just come and start playing like he’s always been here (I wouldn’t say that about Neymar). I think the question comes down to Lampard. Only two of Lampard, Mikel and Ramires can be regular starters. I tend to think Lampard will be phased out. In his last year of his contract. No extensions yet. He’s getting offers from US. Chelsea strengthening the midfield. Everything coming together for a phasing out of Lampard.

  42. Soso,

    This will probably be the team that Roberto Di Matteo will put out at the begining of the Barclays FA Premier League 2012-13 season.

    ————————Cech——————-
    —Ivanovic—-Terry—-Cahill—-Cole—
    ————-Ramires—–Meirelles———
    —-Mata———-Lampard—–Hazzard—
    ———————Torres———————-

    This is my opinion.

  43. It don’t really matter what formation we play, Ramires has to be put in. Of all the players we’ve signed there are no right footers. Ramires has to play on that right side. Not only attacking but defensively.

  44. I think ramires should be a starter alongside lampard when the opposition isn’t too good up front or when they play with a lone striker. our defence can handle it. against strong forwards, mikel and lamps should start though. perhaps the pace of their striker can also be considered? ramires has better pace to defend against them than mikel.

    he can also be a good RAM/RWM if the opposition has a slow/weak left side of the field (LB and LM). he should especially be used there if the opposition lines up a three man back line. the lack of width there would be taking full advantage of rami’s pace and great finishing.

    lastly, rami and mikel should be given occasional chances to start alongside each other since lamps is ageing and we need to try new line ups. perhaps in the less important/more confident games? they’re not as dependable and consistent as superfrank though, but the two of them together, with good chemistry, will provide good help up front as well as good help in defence!

  45. BC i have to agree with you – sadly in my view Jose has not been that best in finding the most efficient makeshift alternative ie essien at RB against Man U with Ronaldo and as such I felt that Mikel should have rather been an alternative to Ballack – agreed that his movement is not as quickl as we would want him to but he is a very good player.
    Sadly i see that since we largely played defensively during our champions league campaign we tend to undervalue players like Meireless or Essien ( Bison) . These players still have a lot to offer and it is primarily how we will be able to utilize their ability on the field – as such Ramires is such a talent and as done well on the right end of the pitch even against PSG.
    Lucas Piazon in my view is ready for the first team – the boy always looks hungry to attack and his finishing is not too shabby. Marin , Oscar, Hazard are all players brought in who can unlock any defense in the team but there is need for cohesion. Who will play defensively really is not the major problem at hand as i see we have players capable of handling that position, However pre-season sent red flags for me in terms of our defense – although the likes of hutchinson , Chalobah had a go defensively the other senior players were a bit worrying.

  46. Michael,

    Beckenbauer was a sweeper (libeiro). Yes he got forward and attacked but his registered position was always centre half and that’s where he played from the early seventies onwards.
    You can interpret his role how you like.

  47. Cech, ivanovic – cahill – jt – cole, mikel-lampard, ramires – mata – hazard, torres. Subs:- Luiz, Oscar, Essien

  48. Ronin,

    We are on the same page. I believe that the Germans invented the position, called “sweeper” in that Fifa World Cup 1974 competition. I know this for a fact. I read this in an interesting and entertaining football book. The sweeper position being in front of the defenders and behind the midfield. You are also quite knowledgeable. Enjoy the rest of your day, mate!

  49. Roberto Di Matteo lost to USA All Stars and AC Milan. I told you he is not the person for the job. We should have gone with Martin O’Neill.

  50. My girlfriend is a fashion designer. She is in another country. I can’t wait to see her. I started this football blog. Take a look and comment. Yeah. Here is the link: footballtelegraph.com Cheers, friends!

  51. Sorry http://www.footballtelegraph.com

    Bluechampion thanking you in advance.

  52. I deleted my blog called Chelsea Telegraph. Thank you for the support.

  53. Why are we still after Azpilicueta. We are making a big mistake guys. We should be going for Debuchy or even Pizczeck. Azpi is another Bosingwa. What is wrong with our scouts? How can Newcastle get Debuchy and we cant?

  54. MatBlue,

    Maybe you should telephone the Chelsea FC call centre and tell them what you think? lol Cheers, mate!

  55. Michael,
    I hate to say i told you so but i raised the same red flag when we were planning on getting Lukaku. Our right backs are so exposed that a not-so-good right back becomes a weak link in our team. Cos when sturridge plays there, he doesn’t track back. That’s why in the end Ramires was shafted to the right. Anyways looks like it’s too late and we are getting Azpi

  56. @mattblue chelsea are buying young players that can be groomed for the future. Azpi is still 22/23, Whereas Pizczeck & Debuchy 26 & 27 respectively so i doubt they would want to play 2nd fiddle to Ivanovich at that age anyway.

  57. @bluechampion lampard is probably gone this time next year. The double pivot need will definately need strengthing. I heard arsenal want to loan Nuri Sahin from Real Madrid with a view to buy, would it be a bad idea if we hijacked the deal? (i.e loan him with an option to buy).
    I know the double pivot is not an emegerncy as other areas (RB, RW, or backup CF) at the moment. Bt surely a loan is not a bad idea, i.e. he flops we wont buy him.

  58. guys as we all know we need a striker.. how about going for berbatov.. proven EPL talent

  59. harsh,

    How about Cavani or Falcao? Proven forwards. Berbatov was over-rated and is currently past it. I think that Matt Clarke should write an article entitled: “Chelsea where are the goals going to come from.”

    And you can put this comment in the archives for the record.

  60. Michael,

    I like your formation. For me you’re a tactical genius. What d’ya think about this formation?

    ————————Cech——————-
    —Ivanovic—-Terry—-Cahill—-Cole—–
    ——Meireles—Mikel—Essien———–
    Mata—–———-Hazard————-Marin.

    Defensively unbreakable and dangerous in attack, I think this is the only formation that can compete with yours. Your thoughts?

  61. we just need a backup striker.. for a season or 2.. then we have have sturridge and lukaku coming up.. even piazon can play as a cf…

  62. All I can say is it’s not looking good…..
    3-1 to a crappy championship side just before we face City for Community Shield. Honestly this year is the last break for Fermando Torres, we have signed 3 playmakers if he doesn’t score at 20 goals this season he should be sold. Hazard, Oscar, Mata, and Marin, how much support does he need? If any player needs that many amount of playmakers to support him he doesn’t deserve to be on a Champions League winning side. Falcao and Cavani ate the right options and will remain if Nando doesn’t score.

  63. Clearly the display was simply outrageous how could we lose. I am really worried and of course i mentioned before that i do not expect us to win for the first couple of games however that was from the anticipation that the youth would be granted the bulk of the play and would need to gel with the senior players.

    Why did RDM play Meireless instead of marin ? Ramires more than proved himself – this is silly we got those players because we wanted to change the type of play and i only really see meireless as a replacement for lampard.

    Hazard – i know i am not the coach and i do not see the players in training however Hazard looked more venomous in the centre of attack during pre-season. And although Torres did not score i could hardly put the blame on him seeing that it was more or less the same squad from last season trying to supply the ball to him.

  64. i would like to see a formation like this with some players not in the fold

    cech

  65. cech
    kalas/Ivanovic——-Luiz/cahill——–Terry——– Cole/Bertrand
    Essien/Mikel/Romeu
    Lampard/Oscar/Meireless
    Ramires/(Moses ?)————–Hazard/Piazon———— Marin/Mata

    Torres/Lukaku/Sturridge

  66. Hi Guys,

    Shock defeat? Are you surprised?

    Would could have seen this coming?

    Who said that Roberto Di Matteo should not be the manager of Chelsea?

    This is the third defeat in a row? Right? AC Milan, then USA All Stars and now a Championship team!

    Why don’t you want to listen? You are like rebelious children!

    I told you that we either should have gotten Pep Guardiloa or Martin O’Neill as our manager.

    Chelsea also needs a reliable forward.

  67. I am vindicated. VINDICATED!!

  68. I think Michael should just shut the fuck up! Who with me?!!!

  69. i think ramires shd play rb

  70. don t u guys watch mikel he wil nt fit our nex season gam i tink we shd replace him wit yann m villa nd also sign neymar nd a top striker coz torres sucks as for rb rami is an option insted of signing azpi hu flop during his olym gam we don t nid moses i am 4rm nigeria nd i shd b supportin moses nd mikel but dey re best at average .my formation is
    cech
    ramires luiz terry cole
    ……….m villa oscar
    neymar mata hazard
    ………………….a new striker
    wit oscar movin up front often nd m villa coverin up 4 him nd also givin good passes mata shd move as if he is playin free role.

  71. sell mikel and get de rossi. He will be chelsea’s answer to man city’s yaya toure

  72. I wouldn’t say that mikel is world class. He’s had a few good games, ie the UCL final. But other than that, especially this season(and I realize it’s just started and players need time to settle), he has been poor. If anything he should have taken a step forward this offseason after how he played at the end of last season, yet sadly he has taken a step back. I feel for Ramires. He’s one of my favorite Chelsea players and he deserves a place in the starting 11 just a much as anyone. I would rather have rami in the team as opposed to mikel

  73. Anyone that says mikel is not good enough doesn’t really know much about football. If you are looking to Essien to make the difference I am sorry he is already washed up. His shots are gone and he is very indisciplined as a DM. He drifts forward in search of a goal thereby exposing the back four. When Essien plays our full backs hardly venture forward becuase they don’t rely on him to cover for them. his presence in the DM position doesn’t do much for the team.Mikel plays to instruction. Ashley Cole surges forward without. Any inhibition. I ask you to guage the performance of the defenders when essien is on.
    Mikel is world class and he is amazing off the ball. He shadows very well. When he is on no opposing team tries to come in thru him. You will even notice an invisible shield across the center. A holding midfielder covers spaces and let’s others score the goals. Mikel is every coaches dream players because he doesn’t risk going forward to get personnal glory from scoring. He gets his glory from team performance. So stop waiting for him to start scoring Goals. Every defender will want him for support. If you watched our last game with Liverpool last season when essien was fielded in place of mikel you would be clamouring for essiens sale. He was shit.he left so much spaces uncovered. Always drifting away.

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