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@Sam Weller:
I refuse to criticise your opinion, we’re all entitled to our own. But it’s nice to see supporters backing the manager, nice.
Sam Weller you don’t sound like a chelsea fan to me… First on what base do you critizise Sturridge?
And now lets be honest and clear. Our team was built by mourinho, strong and dynamic it was. Now we are trying to play more with the ball and many of our players don’t fit the bill. Thats the whole problem!
Look at Ashley Cole for one. He has most of the time no clue what to do with the ball at his feet, he has no desire to start an attack by playing another player in… We have to many who lack the ability and the desire to create spaces with a pass. Some might have the desire like Lamps but he isn’t good enough!
We need technically better palyers to play the game as AVB Abramovic and i think all of us would like!!!!!!! The era where we would go out bulling an opponent are gone! if we want to outplay them we need the right players!
How can you say is not AVB’s fault?as a coach you need to build your team like a rock, physically and mentality,they don’t have fighting spirit at all,some of the players there don’t care as long as they receive their wages,people like Malouda,Bosingwa and again AVB was very wrong in buying Raul Meireles,he passing ability is very poor,as a coach you should take control of the team but from what am seeing he can’t even make order to some certain players,again I don’t really understand the kind of football of formation he is playing,watch Bosingwa every team in the EPL use his wing to counter attack us why,AVB should stop doing Portuguese stuff in Chelsea team,he should have let Malouda go and use his money buy another player,during the time of Jose Mourinho Mikel used to be a no nonsense offensive midfielder and strong in marking balls,is all about making a player what you wants him to be,am so sorry to say this,if AVB cannot control his players then he should go and find young team he can manage because Chelsea players are too big for him to handle
Roman should give him time till next season so he can get his own players and we see what he can do,but bosingwa,Malouda,Raul Meireles should go and find another team
BC, You were right when you said in the past that “the buck stops with the manager” but you also correctly pointed out that the problems we see are all older than Villas-Boas’ tenure. Obviously we were all expecting & hoping for more progress to have been made but regardless, I think some progress has been made, I think our position in the league this year compared to last is a reflection of the improvement of other teams rather than our regression.
Its still too early in my opinion to rate Villas-Boas as a coach and judge what he can potentially do for Chelsea, Im still optimistic. He’s clearly a clever man and a talented coach otherwise he wouldnt be in this position. He deserves another season atleast.
We’ve all preached the virtues of patience now its time to practice them, a lot of people seem to be struggling.
I have to agree with sam a bit on this one. You look at the game against united we played 4-2-3-1. We scored three goals against them we haven’t been able to score three goals for ages. Ok we let in three goals as well but two were penalties and it was a very new back four with chaill and luiz playing together for the first time. Then it comes to the Everton game so why does he change it back to 4-3-3 which he knows doesn’t work with this squad and play bosingwa and not cahill. Then the substitutions that he made were shocking okay yes our bench was poor. However avb as been here for two transfer windows now and he hasn’t put his mark on the squad. Everyone is saying we are a team in transition but you cant teach old dogs new tricks so why don’t we play how we know how to play then when avb brings in his players then he can play his silly 4-3-3. We need to bring in new players quick Sell: drogba, malouda, kalou, mikel, bosingwa, merieles, ferrira and torres (if he doesnt score again) Buy: Higuian, pato, Hazard, snejder, rodwell, van de weil. Then play them and then we will be a team in transition.
Won’t deny AVB somtimes does wht we ‘feel’ are mistakes; as if most the decisions he got right in d past had actually paid off?! D glaring fact is most of the players have simply grown nonchalant and unspirited. M tired of forward-afraid, aimless ball-chasers like Malouda; self-confusing Bosingwa; ‘almost skill-less’ Lamp. i still trust AVB’s capabilties; instd I shld evn ask Roman what he’s achieved in ’4′ years now havng switched b/w so many coaches, jst as he has alwz expected coaches to hand-snatch trophies or evn ‘steal’ them jst in ‘one’ yr. In fact, I gv him the ‘boss’ share of the blame cos by ‘unstabilising’ the managerial office, he’s only succeeded in making d team very volatile, hence, extremely unpredictable and difficult to handle… Is it not time for him to try som other strategies for his business and understand that ‘manager’ is jst not all of it? Though sounds rather blunt, i can’t help thinking that ‘one man’ has actually been more like ‘confused, evn insane’ than ‘five coaches’!
Give AvB time!
Whats going on , first of all Avb ditch that awful Mack u look more like Frank Spencer in it !!!!
Do we stick with him build a young team playing in the Europa cup next season to gain experience then champs league the following season the only drawback is getting high quality players like Hazard,Lucas,Neymar.
Previous managers have really gone with what they had apart from last season ,Torres how long do u give him ?
Cahill on the bench ??????? Bring him in , move Luiz into midfield bring back Josh
Mikel,Malouda,Kalou, Bosswinga , Fierra, bye bye
Hey today we lost d game…but d way we played n we lost was very much painful. I am very strong chelsea fan from last 10 yrs….n dis is one of d worst chelsea season we are watching. We have to accept d fact that we dont have right players in our team right now…some are very aged and have passed their era(drogba, lampard,ferreira)…Some are too young / inexperienced…to handle d pressure and not yet ready to play in first team for full time(lukaku, romeu, macceharan, bertnand, piazon)…some are out of form(torres, essein)….and others dont have desire to play and winthey are happy with taking their money(bosingwa, merieles, malouda, mikel)…..
We should get rid of the aged players and the players who dont show any desire to win who are shameless…..
for youngsters…the chance inbetween should be given but not at d cost of any loss of game…the players like essein and torres we all know they are very good players…but the way torres is playing in chelsea its gud not to watch him play in chelsea team only…he has lost pace he is too slow now even cant keep ball imn his feet he has lost all of his confidence….and now with the return of drogba…he will again be on the bench…on the strikers lineup…i could only find struddige at d moment and will get better and better … but he is also selfish at a times…
The failure of torres is not only his failure but in dis chelsea coach failing…whole chelsea team failing…how many great passes u have seen torres got….the way he used to get by Gerrard in Liverpool…..
If torres should have joined chelsea 3/4 yrs before he should have nailed all oppositions…we had ballack…deco n inform lampard that time who were able to give magical passes to d strikers…n since then there is no one to take place in their shoes.
If same miserable run continues for Torres then i am afraid that his Chelsea career may end soon in dis summer…lukaku still needs one more season…n drogba n kalou will depart soon so it only leaves struddige…so we need to find one top class striker…cavani, pato, hulk, huggain all r gud we need one of them
in midfield we need some more creativity and pace….mata, ramires, essein are gud but we need another two players…bcaz i cant see lampard, mikel, meireles in chelsea future..
there are few talented young midfielders…like hazard, lucas from sao paulo, ganso from santos, erikson from ajax….we need to purchase them.
and about defense we have terry, cole, luiz, ivanovic, cahill but i would ask for one right back may b van der wiel or sm other bcaz i dont wanna c bosingwa in chelsea shirt again he is crap….
for d moment just lets hope we stay in top four!!!
i totally AGREE with sam weller.. there’s nothing wrong with TORRES.. in fact i never have see a striker come down so OFTEN as he is to get the ball.. a striker’s job is to finish the ball into the net.. not to come down all the way down to the defence area and win it.. maybe once or twice but not that often..
STURIDGE is not a crap.. he is just one greedy bastard (i think he has set his target of amount of goals he need to score this season, thats the only logical reason for him to be greedy).. and why i want him to stay as chelsea player because he is an england nationality and so far he is the best england youngster that any team will be glad to have.. but seriously sturridge needs to be less greedy.. i know he can score but sometime you need to pass the ball to someone that has better chance than he does.. do it for the team..
as for AVB.. im starting to wonder how the F he has been managing chelsea.. WE ALL KNOW MALOUDA PLAYS BEST ON THE LEFT WING.. and why AVB why you put malouda in the weirdest place position for chelsea.. malouda likes to hug the line and he’s been showing how good he was.. let him continue even if he comes as a substitude.. dont ruin the midfield.. and if we cannot finish top 4.. AVB should resign.. and AVB why dont you play malouda on the left and let mata be behind torres.. sturidge will be on the right side.. as for midfield.. just put lampard to spice more attacking mentality and essien / romeu / mikel next to him.. A new manager should comes with a new approach.. not follow what the past left him..
cech
Ivanovic – luiz – cahill – a.cole
romeu – lampard
sturidge – mata – malouda
torres
Here is the deal. We have zero offensive creativity. All we do is bring it down and eventually switch fields a few times and then settle for a cross. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU USE TORRES! That is how you might use Drogba I suppose. We have all the wrong players for the system AVB wants to use. And so whose fault is it that we dont have the right players? Probably a combo between the board, Roman and AVB. Sad. The squad is aging and in need of a massive refresh and we might not be in the CL next year. Crazy times.
My only observation about AVB is that he doesnt have full control of the
d dressing room n he also doesnt have the courage to confront some of the senior players
Though Lukaku is still young but AVB should play him ahead of Torres sometime to make Torres to sit up.
If care is not taken ,Chelsea might experience their worst season in history.
AVB is a world class coach.D only problem he has is that he has got the wrong players 2 play the style of football he wants us to..Our biggest problems lies in the midfield.We have only Mata creating d chances..We need other creative,skillful attacking midfielders…Players like Drogba,essien,malouda,ferreira,bosingwa should b jettisoned. Allow new boys 2 come in..cech also needs help. Luiz can play attacking midfield n we need two strikers up front
last night many fans suffered much grief ……….
It was rubbish…………. u could smell the rat at half-time ..something was amiss……..and it’s been that way for some time
Roman…. needs to think carefully how the problems can be solved … maybe think about the possible fact that if he may be a part of the problem….
And i second the motions above that AVB should grow a pair ………. and use the kids ….. again USE the kids
as much as i hate to say it. It is actually the players. they are too old and and are unable to adapt to the way AVB has wanted them to do so. obviously, he can see that it isn’t working and should change the way he plays, but when you look at Sturridge, Mata, Ramires, he has most definitely brought the best out of them because they are still young players and you can clearly see that he has enabled them to grow as players so much in the space of a few months. Torres is extremely unlucky to not have scored more, goalies play out of their skin against chelsea and have denied him MANY goals. He works to hard and lacks confidence. there isn’t much you can do. If AVB gets rid of the old guard and brings in players with creativity, he can make a mark at chelsea.
as much as i hate to say it. It is actually the players. they are too old and and are unable to adapt to the way AVB has wanted them to do so. obviously, he can see that it isn’t working and should change the way he plays, but when you look at Sturridge, Mata, Ramires, he has most definitely brought the best out of them because they are still young players and you can clearly see that he has enabled them to grow as players so much in the space of a few months. Torres is extremely unlucky to not have scored more, goalies play out of their skin against chelsea and have denied him MANY goals. He works to hard and lacks confidence. there isn’t much you can do. If AVB gets rid of the old guard and brings in players with creativity, he can make a mark at chelsea.
Hey Chelsea_Callum, I agree that we do not have a great bench to change a game. But the reason we are criticizing AVB’s substitutions is because of the players he brings off, and not because of the players he brings on. Instead of taking Mata off(whom we needed the most), why not bring off Meireles and go with two strikers up-front? he always seems to be keen to take either Mata or Sturridge off. Against Man Utd, what was the need for bringing Sturridge off? When your team is 3-0 up, why not try and completely kill the opposition? Sturridge was pretty much our best attacker in that match. These decisions are what baffle us fans. That’s it. I am not saying AVB is entirely to be blamed. After all, Scolari and Carlo too struggled to get the best out of this team. Something is wrong with the attitude of the players too. They don’t seem to enjoy challenges. They want it all easy. Else, they won’t make an effort to win!
AVB is definitely at fault how do you say that we are in transition and you constantly play guys like malouda and bosingwa or do they need experience if we were playing Piazon, Bertrand and Josh then i would agree we were in transition.
1. His style of playing is also worse slow and no direction passing what the hell this is the premier league you need to move the ball quick and like it or not Anelka was far much better than what people are saying atleast he could take on defenders
2. He doesn’t know what formation to play and he’s been in Chelsea for more than 6 months what more do you say when you hear that.
3. AVB should be able to moralize the players but cant see that happening with him looking like a lost cat and then he makes some of the worst subs.
4. lastly he should have gotten rid of some of this dead woods in the team but he chose not to but constantly play them and torture us every weekend am even afraid of facing Napoli god help us
oh and can someone please stop saying this players are old. Name the squad and age of inter milan that mourinho won the champions league with
AVB is at fault if he is playing them why not play the young players at reserves if the players are that old
bastard’s i see no reason why we should have Bosingwa in our team ..his useless just like Anelka that left in January,AVB is a good coach and needs time to build a new team next season ..what ashame watching my beloved Chelsea fc go down.for a team like Asenal to come over to bridge and defeat chelsea,i don’t think we will get it easy with other team in ELP.i love Torres and his a good strike,there is nothing he can do when there is on one to feed him up with throw passes just like Barca does. i believe if Torres could join barca,he will definitely score goals.we like creative midfielders and lack of commitment from the so call big boys in the team. AVB should please stop using Portuguese connection in the team and pick players on merit. we should start using our young players,we have tried the older players based on experience but seems not working out for us ..why not use the young lads ..i believe on chelsea fans will complain using the young lads and lose games than using old fools and lose games .
U are absolutely right. Anh i have high hopes for AVB.
no he is nt a good coach…he doesnt know how to read da players…its nt da players r nt responding to his style of play…its that he doesnt know to choose the players…these days wat i have seen in chelsea team is that there is no coordination between
we dont want avb’s style of play…if he wants the players to play his style then chelsea will go down n down…he must read the style of players n make good use of their style of play…thats a perfect coach
I have more confidence in AVB than I had in Ancellotti. AVB has been given a three year project. It involves transforming the team into a youthful attacking team (this much is clear from multiple interviews). I think we must stop looking at our present results and look to the summer. If AVB’s comments hold any truth this summer is going to be massive; oldies either sold or benched while some of the world’s most talented under 23s hit the field. I think possibilities of seeing the likes of Hazard or Willian and Lucas Moura, or even Cavani, are high. So lets not point fingers to quickly; there is a plan, but it takes time.
Yeah and if we drop out of champions league, how many of those players will be willing to join us this summer..
i feel im dying a slow death….looking at these players play….we need players who absolutely love the crest and want to be fighting for the blue shirt….these guys barring MATA , LUIZ, IVANOVIC and the old LAMPS, JT and CECH! are plain bullshit!
look at sturridge’s father sayin chelsea are playing him out of position…..oh come on he cant finish for crying out loud…..we need A NEW LEFT WINGER, A RIGHT WINGER (a club of our stature does not have ONE right winger and thats appaling, why dint we sign adam johnson is beyond me) and a RIGHT BACK! PLEASE MAKE THESE BUYS AND THEN GIVE AVB A FAIR CHANCE!
Love Chelsea FC to death
KTBFFH!
I can see lot of people saying , we should buy Higuian, Pato, Hazard, Snejder, Rodwell, Van Der Wiel, Willian etc. I guess people think that transfer window is like some 50% off sale . Guys , lets be practical . We cant spend money like that every now and the. We are yet to get returns on 50 Millions that we spent in Torres . Then we made AVB break his clause at Porto and brought him to Bridge. Now if Financial Fair Play comes in , by breaking bank we will just put ourselves in big risk .
We need to get more from our youth system . Piazon , Bertrand , Huthinson , Kakuta , Josh ….these guys need to be involved rather than buying new players . The fact is these guys have talent and rather than having a player like Bosingwa or Cole (lately) conceding a goal , I will have Bertrand or Hutchinson doing it .
Surprising that I don’t see many people criticizing Ref. Certainly he was the problem in the last game. I don’t think Chelsea had any problem in that match. They played very well only to have victory snatched away from them by cruel destiny.
Jokes apart. what a pathetic performance. No point repeating what has already been said. As I have reiterated many times below, despite Jose being great, he created an atmosphere where players we had simply didn’t care too much for Chelsea. They were playing for Jose and the cash. Now most of them are not at their peak and we haven’t replaced them hungrier players. Simple as that. Frankly I don’t even think Fernando is sad or frustrated. Why would he be, he has a reputation, once he leaves chelsea he’ll easily be snapped up by anzhi, psg or shanghai ?? He’ll try hard but its not the end of the world for him if he doesn’t succeed. In his mind he is a 50 mill superstar. Chelsea are lucky to have him. Not the other way around. City are the new Chelsea and in 5 years will be facing the same problems as us. Until and unless we create a culture around the club, this is what we will get.
I have watched Andre since he took over the team. I am always reluctanct to call for a manager’s head, particularly at club level. However, even i admit now that Andre is walking a dangerous path. It feels like the end of Carlo’s era all over again. Ancelotti lost his job, and for the umpteenth time i repeat, he lost his job not because we didn’t win trophies in his final season. He was sacked cos his team was playing abject dreadful football. Bland with no passion and no fight. We were actually getting bullied by teams.
Andre’s tenure has been disastrous since he didn’t bring in the top notch players he needed to really transform the team. His problem was he kept the same players who were failing Carlo. Bosingwa, above all other players, is a mess. The guy is not a footballer. He lacks the temperament and mental fortitude to be a football. Forget the football skills, the guy is just not cut out to be a footballer. From what i’d heard Carlo had recommended for him to be sold in the summer. Yet Andre came and he kept him on. Actually making him his most trusted defender. That is in incredible!
He was afraid to rock the boat. To shape up the team. This is the reward. Players not interested, who are being paid fortunes at the club week in week out. How is it that you turn up against Swansea and get out played from start to finish, by players who are earning a fraction of your wages. How will that make any owner feel.
What i see from afar is that, Andre is a terrible manager when things are not going well. He is temperamental and has a short fuse. That is his bane. He seems a stubborn manager, convinced he is always right. I often wonder what it is that the team actually do in training. Cos frankly we’ve seen them serve up the same drivel every weekend. It makes think all they do is learning to keep possession. And that, we are even terrible at.
Why do we seem so lethargic. who is the conditioning coach. What is going on at Cobham.
We can blame the players all we want but the buck stops with the manager. If a player isn’t giving his best you dont keep playing him and expect different.
I sincerely hope he get’s to stay and that he has learned his lessons. Brace yourselves guys, it’s going to be one long ride to the end of the season. We may not make top 4 and then all bets will be off. I have been bitterly disappointed by Andre Villas Boas.
KTBFFH
The team was utter shite over the weekend. Cech, Bosingwa, Luiz and Cole were unbeliveably horrendous. No fight, no passion, no drive, no incision, no clue. I’m glad this sorry bunch was hauled back to Cobham yesterday and I hope they got chewed out by someone, anyone. AVB has been poor but let’s remember these players are the ones on the pitch. They’ve been awful.
I know we’ve talked about bringing in quality talent like Hazard, Goetze, Neymar, et. al and I certainly agree we need some fresh faces and big names to arrive come summer.
But we also need some leaders. We need guys who don’t tolerate losing and will pick up the team when we’re playing the way we did against Everton on Saturday. The complete lack of desire is what has bothered me these last few months, as it did during the end of Carlo’s reign.
In my reckoning the squad only has one natural, vocal leader: John Terry. He’s the only one who “coaches on the pitch.” Some of the others lead by example but we need a Scott Parker, Tony Adams, Alan Shearer like personality who gets on everyone’s case if they’re not performing. We should target some of these players in the transfer window too.
Let’s face it, Torres has to go. If we keep insisting on playing him, next year will be the same. If Lukaku had played as much as Torres has this season since the ANC started I belie he would of at least scored 3.
I blame Roman for all this!
He bought Sheva, Torres, Zhirkov…mangers couldn’t buy their players!
Now he bought Lukaku and De Bruyne and i doubt if either could do any better than the earlier three!
And it is him who bought AVB, a manager who did well with right players (Falcao, Hulk and Moutinho to name a few) and a much lesser competition!
He was the reason why we lost Mourinho!
Of course he brought us to the place where we currently are and i will forever remain grateful to him, but more often than not, he goes too little too far to Chelsea’s liking. How i wish he would know that!
@KarmaCW: Absolutely agree with you mate. Torres is costing us badly. We need a swap with Falcao in the summer. We need a player who we can count on and someone who will create chances and is consistent. Cavani, Falcao, Adebayor, we need players like them. I’m sick and tired I the bullshit excuses by Chelsea fans saying Torres is getting no support. You think Odemwingie, Yakubu and Fletcher from Wolves are getting support from world class playmakers? The answer is no. If Chelsea wants to get anywhere next year we need to start with changes starting from attack getting rid of Torres and thinking for King Drogba’s replacement, we need to buy a proper defensive midfielder and a playmaker, and importantly sell Bosingwa! Heck I sill prefer Paulo over Bosingwa anyday!!!!
wow, wow,wow….wait a minute guys. If it were not for AVB we would right now be in relegation zone with this current shitty squad. We have been staying too long with dead meat. We were already showing symptoms of it last season and this bad form this season is simply the logical result of it. I know DD, Lampard, Terry are legends of our club. But we have to be brave to concede that their time is gone. When players stay too long with the club, they become more powerful than their managers, and that affects morality of the team. Look at RM, they were brave enough to dump their legends Raul and Guti, and fill the gap with fresh blood and see the results for yourself! I don´t mean those players are to be treated badly or something, but they should now be given a respectful exit. And we need to pump in new blood….young ones, who have enough passion to play with their hearts every game, who want to prove themselves.
I would say let Bosingwa stay, but AVB should use him as a winger, while Iva taking the defence job at right. Even current squad can deliver results with this formation.
———————–cech—————————–
Iva———Cahill—————new buddy——-Cole
——————-Mikel——–Essien——————————
—Bosingwa/Kalou————–Mata————-Malouda/Sturridge
————————–Torres———————————
well, our subs are really shitty as well, so we need i think 5 or 6 players more if we were to show some class….we need a new look of our squad, otherwise even Mourinho would not be able to deliver the title with this one.
@BlueGenes: Shitty squad? Didn’t Carlo win the double with more or less the same squad? And didn’t he come 2nd? And you somehow forgot Luiz and Rmaries there, yet still persist in playing Malouda and Boaingwa and Torres?
it’s over. AVB has lost the dressing room. he has no chance now.
@Xerxesk:
Yea he did, but the squad is more older now. What they acheived under Carlo was already incredible. But PL changes every season. If you look at the rivals, they all enforced their teams and have become stronger. Whereas our old team has already been sucked dry. There is hardly any juice left of DD, Lamps and Terry.
Luiz for me is not a defender. Yea he is very energetic, drives forward, also scores goal, but he is silly. He always commits silly fouls in the D-area. He´s been lucky till now not get sent off. Ramires is good. no comments about him
And even the season we won double, we were not that convincing…..Luckily other teams had weakened too. Teams like manures and citeh were in transition….liverpool was going downhill, totenham were still easy opponents. Game has changed now. we don´t even possess half the quality these teams possess. If it were not for Mata, were would be lingering in Relegation already. Thank god AVB got him on time.
I dont know, I think we definitely looked convincing under Carlo, we broke many records.
But ya I agree with you, if Mata wasnt here it would be a terrible mess. But then again I blame AVB who did not agree for us to sign Willian when Roman and the president had already agreed to buy him. What baffles me is we spend 18 million pounds on a striker (Lukaku) and he has not started a single game in the league for us. No team in the world spends that much money on a teenager and leaves him rotting on the bench. And again, with De Bruyne, we need a right wing/midfielder, and yet we sent him on loan to Genk. Why didnt we at least loan him to Bolton or Wigan so he can play here?
The thing with Lukaku is a bit complicated. Firstly he´s too young, just an 18 year old teenager….no manager in the world would play someone of his age as regular, specially when everything is at stake.
And the thing with De Bruyne is that, it was a pre-contract agreement, so that we get him to play at the start of the next season. Othewise we wouldn´t have got him at the first place. It was player´s desire to play one last full season at Genk.
But why Chelsea payed 18m for Lukaku is a mystery….
I don’t think age has anything to do with it. Give chances and they shine, look at Oxlade Chamberlain! The thing is no Chelsea manager likes to play youngsters.
Well lets not compare our club with some club that has won nothing in past 8 years….Wenger does crazy things, sometimes they work, mostly they don´t….
For example, in the next cup game, why dot we start with Lukaku and Piazon? They are hungry and wanna prove themselves. They won’t be any worse then Torres or Meireles.
@BlueGenes:
I agree with XERXESK on saying that Chelsea managers don’t believe much in our youngsters! Don’t just pick up Arsenal and Arsene and Chamberlain for an example! manure have Cleverly and Liverpool have Spearing and both have been and are doing well but i would confidently say they are far below our own McEachran and Piazon! Look where would our youngsters end up if they were in other teams! I just pray that our promising youngsters wouldn’t get tired of waiting! Walker is doing well at tottenham…my point here is managers must believe in the promising players irrespective of age!
Yea, even i wish those buddies get some chance. But its a risky thing, which can have a double blow. If we fail with them, we lose points in one hand and lose their moral in the other, thus affecting their development in long term. Its also difficult because, our dead meats are earning more than they should, and i don´t think Roman wants them to collect their salary for nothing….
What i feel is that there should be contract re-negotiations. It would have two advantages, we would curb down our expenses, and secondly it could fire them up.
BOSINGWA SHOULDN”T EVER PLAY FOR US AGAIN IF WE ARE TO MAKE TOP 4. In football one bad apple destroys the whole lot. Morale seeps out when a team mates keeps pulling the team back by giving cheap goals to the opposition every single game.
When we won the double Bosingwa was out injured. He is the bad apple rotting the team.
Everyone keeps talking about how bad Bosingwa is and how he is supposedly the main reason we are playing crap. I agree that Bosingwa’s quality isn’t high enough for Chelsea. I don’t even know what role he can excel in since he:
- can’t defend so his presence in the defence is a mystery
- can’t cross so he can’t play on the wings
- isn’t strong enough physically to be a CB
- isn’t creative enough/possess good enough ball-retention to be a central midfielder
But the one player that has been absolutely horrendous these past few games is Mereiles. He does not tackle very well, gives the ball away too easily (both when under pressure or sometimes by even passing it to the opposition !) and goes for spectacular 35-yard shots that have like a 5% chance of going in. He was Liverpools player of the season last year but that isn’t saying much because Liverpool was mediocre last season.
Malouda never impressed me the whole of last season and is utterly useless this season. Lampard is ageing. Torres has lost some pace and can’t make up for it when he isn’t getting any through balls to get into goal-scoring opportunities. What can players like Mata and Ramires do with such duds around them ? What can the manager do with such duds to choose from ?
I agree with you all that AVB should give Piazon, Lukaku and Bertrand an opportunity on Saturday. I also think Sturridge should be played down the middle with Mata right behind him. We can boost our morale with a good run in the FA Cup, let’s not ruin it by playing unmotivated players.
KTBFFH !!
I have a feeling that AVB will give it a try in the next game….:)
That would really be nice!
After reading bits of Andre’s presser today i am really worried, guys. Why does Andre seem he’s got a chip on his shoulder all the time. As a manager you are supposed to be above the pettiness of your players. You are supposed to be the one with the calm head whenever the rest around you are losing theirs. Did he actually say “I only need support of the owner, not the players” ? Goodness me, we are doomed. Andre lacks the temperament to be a great manager. As a manager even if you wanna cull some players , you cant come out scathing about it in this way. He gone about this all wrong. I am afraid i dont expect any impovements anytime soon. He may actually turn away potential players to our great club with this attitude. This is shocking stuff. I really did believe this guy is our Fergie. Gobsmacked really!
I am behind AVB concerning this. We really do need to throw out some backstabbing, “I know better than coach” type of players.
@MatBlue:
That is so worrying
@Lampard and the Blues.:
Merieles has been average, but certainly not the worst player around. That distinction goes to Bosingwa by some margin. Merieles was better at ‘Pool and his shooting sucks, but he does a lot of the unnoticed dirty work and for that he deserves some acknowledgement. He’s not great, not terrible, just somewhere in the middle.
He does have the worst haircut on the team though.
It will be a very interesting summer, we have been link with these players:
Leandro Damiao – striker
Gregory Van der Wiel – RB
Jovetic – RW/AM/LW
Willian – LW
Robben – LW
L.Gustavo – DM/LB/CB
Mouthino – AM
I would buy this free agent { Recardo Montilivo because he a similar player to Mouthino}
chelsea team could look like this after summer:
{Cech} {Van der Wiel-Luiz-Cahill-L.Gustavo} {Essien-Mouthino} {Jovetic-Mata-Robben} {Torres}
Bench: Turnbull, Ivano, Ryan, Romeu, Ramires, Leandro Damiao/Sturridge, Willian
@denverblue: with our crap of a management, it wont happen. We will sign another washed up has been, most likely Kaka…………..
Chelsea fans should not be delusional. This guy is worse then Scolari and Ranieri. AVB is nothing more then an assistant. Time to sign a proper manager.
Yea, yea. As long as he wasn´t playing youngsters, everyone were moaning about it. So finally when they got their chance to prove and failed, you moan again….Have patience guys. lets him build on it…..The reason of instability in Chelsea are the fans itself…..give the guy a chance…that means more than a year…
And again, I’m here to challenge anyone who says “it’s the competition that is different, it is harder this season then under Ancellotti”, bullshit, we can’t even beat a second division team and this is AT STAMFORD BRIDGE. The bad thing is we really have no options to replace Andre-doestn know what he is doing-Boas, Hiddink got a job at Anzhi. Didier Deschamp is the only man left that I think. Eric Gerets is very questionable.
and as we all saw, Piazon didnt play either….
@BlueGenes: What youngster did he actually play? Bertrand? He had to cause Cole is out injured. Let me just say to all of us Chelsea fans here, WE NEED GOOD F’n luck to beat Napoli after this game.
Th only way we can beat Napoli in my opinion is we play with:
———–Drogba————
Kalou——————-Sturridge
————Mata————
———Essien—-Mikel——–
In Napoli we need to score and without a doubt this is the best attacking formation we have. Kalou ad Drogs linked up nicely in ANC and Sturridge is a goal threat as always. Mata has to be the playmaker, and Essien and Mikel/Romeu to control midfield.
@Xerxesk:
Well if you expect to get results with Chelsea B team, then dream on….The average age of the team played today was below 24….if thats not young enough, i have nothing to say….
Age doesnt matter when you dont have quality youngsters. Look at Arsenal now. We haven’t seen any real tactical genius from AVB. We play the exact same way with the exact tactics and it doesnt work. Under Carlo we did same but it worked. I agree with you that we don’t have too many quality players and age has taken its toll, but the manager is at fault too.
and again I have to point to our crappy management and the players they bought and didnt buy:
Meireles was bought when we had a natural playmaker in the team who almost never underperforms, even though I’m not a big fan: Benyayoun. Why did we loan him and buy Meireles for 13 mil still blows my mind.
We loaned out De Bruyne and didnt buy Willian, say what you want about Willian his pace alone causes problems. And De Bruyne loaned? Why the hell would we loan this guy out, screw the agreement, we could of added 2 million and would scrap the buy and loan agreement and just bought him. We bought Gary Cahill when players like Subotic and Jan Vertongen are younger and by miles better players. Deco and Ballack two fundamental players for Chelsea and replaced them with no one. Sure Deco was injured but when he played he never disappointed. We sold Anelka and yet Malouda is here? WHO THE FUK CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION? Bosingwa is also still here and he hasnt signed a new deal (thank god) and yet we didnt sell him in winter transfer window and we still play him, why would we play a player who is out of contract and is pure garbage, when our own youngsters are rotting in the reserve.
well Benayoun was always disappointing, De Bryune had a pre-contract agreement, subotic already plays for club that are German champions, Jan Vertongen plays for holland champions….and finally Chelsea has also to balance its books, otherwise we won´t we playing CL next year anyway….
Well, although the team may be in shambles …
no-one can call us blue champions “glory hunters: or “just jumped on the bandwagon” fans anymore ……
I guess I was relieved that we didn’t lose last night …… hmmmm… anyways …
Bring on Napoli !
KTBFFH !
@xerxesk: I see ur point .. but do they even know who .. Jan Vertongen is ….?? even Godin… we dont have a scouting network guys..
Team for Napoli:
Cech – {Ivano – Luiz – Terry – Ryan/Paulo} – {Ramires – Essien – Lampard} – {Mata} – {Sturrdige – Drogba}
Subs: Turnbull, Romeu, Mikel, kalou, Malouda, Torres, Cahill.
personally I would start with Romeu sitting deep with essien and ramires box to box… i know not much creativity… and lamps on then bench
Ok. As expected we lose.
5 things i learned from the match. Lets focus on the solution, not the problems.
1. CERTAINLY We need to revamp the squad. Like Barca did during showing the way out to Deco & Ronaldhinho. Remember? Out List | Mauloda, Essien, Lampard, Torres, Bosingwa, Cole, Meireles. .
2. DROGBA to stay as a coaching staff cum player. We like it or not he do have the charisma and influence for the team. Important element for team stability.
3. Chelsea to back to basic in term of spending. Why Not? Screw the system. Lets buy Hazard, Tevez, Mazzarri, Edebayour, Snider etc etc etc as long they can execute the job like Mata do.
4. According to reports in the Daily Mirror today, former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez is being lined up to replace current Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas on a temporary deal until the end of the season. Screw u Benitez. I prefer Ray Wilkins than Benitez. My opinion i dont mine to stick with AVB for another 1 year. If it so, ONLY Mourinho are capable to be our manager.
5. Yes we lose 3-1. Yet again, 2-0 deficit is still possible at Stamford Bridge. Why. Because WE ARE CHELSEA.
Well well well, looks like I was the only person on this forum who said Cahill is not chelsea material. I can’t believe we sold Alex for this crap. 2nd Ben Haim in the making.
Our stating 11 yesterday didn’t make any sense at all. I’ll agree that Lampard isn’t that good now a days but he’s still way better than Malouda.
Dumb ass Boas played Ramires and Meireles as defending midfielders when we had mikel and Essuen on the bench. And can someone please explain why Ivanovic doesn’t play in center while clue less Luiz plays that role? Shouldn’t their positions be switched?
We played the high line..but then for it to work there was no pressing upfront..they had too much time on the ball to launch counterattacks..
The players are not supposed to play managers themselves. This thing needs to stop. Its the same reason for Jose’s departure and then ancelotti. Now its the same with AVB. It cannot be a coincidence. . .Players should eat their attitude and take the blame themselves for the defeat, not the manager.
too many of these players are having off nights!! too often!
Players i want out of chelsea:
Malouda, Raul, Bosingwa, Lampard, mikel, kalou, Paulo, Drogba.
player targets we should be looking at:
Jan Vertonghen – CB/LB/DM – luizmakes too much mistakes… cahill not that good.. terry career coming to a close.
Gregory Van der Wiel – RB
Jovetic – RW/AM/LW
Willian – LW
Robben – LW
L.Gustavo – DM/LB/CB
Mouthino – AM
Montolivo – CM/AM
Cezar – RB
Guarin- CM
Fernando Llorente Torres – strikers
Javi Martinez
Gotez – AM
Nicolás Gaitán – AM (not so sure about him)
Leandro Damiao – striker
The new chelsea:
Cech – {Van der Wiel – Terry – Jan Vertonghen – L.Gustavo} – {Guarin – Mouthino} – { Jovetic – Mata/Gotez – Javi Martinez} – {Torres}
Subs: Turnbull, Ivano, Cahill, Gotez, Montolivo, Fernando Llorente, Sturridge
i hope
If Chelsea sign the Napoli trio for 100£ mil, we win win the league and UCL next year.
If we pay so much money for three, we will be disqualified for CL next year, due to financial regulations….
Unless we sell the current players we have. Out –> Meireles 8£ mil, Torres 15-20£ mil, out Malouda 5£ mill, out Benyayoun 5£ mil. That’s around 35£. Sell some youth players another 5£. Total we have 40 mil£ here.
Chelsea already has a debt of about 50m pounds, and club is losing about 17m pounds each year as operational loss. So with your idea of spending 100m and then selling 40m, we would have a total debt of 50+17+60 = 127m pounds. Thats twice as big as loss Man city are currently making.
on top of that sack AVB and we could easily reach 150m mark….
I hope that explains the situation AVB is currently in. He´s been made just a scapegoat for everything. Poor fella.
who exactly are we in debt to?
Chelsea have not played to they’re potential since the departure of Ray Wilkins. If I am to criticize the coaching staff mine would be directed at Di Matteo. He was sacked by the West Bromwich Albion board just last year! Chelsea Alum or not, he does not have what it takes to be the assistant manager. I have no problem with him being a part of the training staff but we need whatever it was Wilkins seemed to bring to the camp. I also am not at all sold on the Zonal Marking defensive setup, Arsenal have used it in the past and look at there defensive record over the last 5 seasons. Man marking is a must in the EPL the pace of football these days requires tight defending. We also need to sign three top players in the summer window i.e. Hazard to compliment Mata, Van Der Wiel on the right, and Neymar. My team next season would be-
Cech
Van Der Wiel Ivanovic Cahill Luiz
Romeu
Hazard Mata
Torres
Neymar Sturridge
Bench- Drogba, Bertrand, Essien, Lukaku, Ramires
And finally if Terry, Lampard, Cole, Malouda, and others don’t want to be used as super subs with their waning form, then they should be sold. That is life and that is football we all get old and a little slower if they really are Chelsea through and through they’ll want to see a young team take us to the top!
Why was Ivanovic playing so high up the field. Poor positioning or tactical instructions ??
If tactical then why ??
@xerxesk:
Where do you get your loans from?