Where Would You Play David Luiz?

It’s been an eventful 3 months for Chelsea’s newest darling, David Luiz.
Since coming to Stamford Bridge he’s won two massive games with his scoring. His goal against Manchester United made him an instant terrace favorite. Fans had sprouted Sideshow Bob wigs by the time he repeated the deed against Manchester City.
There’s a lot to love about David Luiz as a central defender.
He has good size and strength; excellent speed and agility; he’s nimble on his feet; he heads the ball well. He’s extremely aggressive. He plays hard. He’s an attacking threat.
And he could help extended John Terry’s career. With his ability to cover ground, Terry’s lack of pace is protected.
Sounds great.
So why were Benfica playing him at left back?
It may be that David Luiz’s temperament and judgment aren’t well suited to being the last line of defense.
His first instinct when confronted with the ball is to charge at it. He likes to body-up against his man and poke a toe at the ball. He doesn’t instinctively fall back and maintain his position between the ball and his goal.
This natural aggressiveness has already been a problem. Too often he allows the man and the ball to get behind him.
His poor challenge at midfield on a John Walters breakaway at Stoke City cost Chelsea a goal. Against West Bromwich Albion he shared the blame for a goal. Rather than falling back, he stepped into the middle of a Morrison to Thomas movement up the middle and missed the ball. Odemwingie was released behind the defense and scored.
And he’s a bit of a monster at giving away penalties. In just 9 games he’s already conceded two, against Fulham and Birmingham City. Both were sloppy, unnecessary, over-aggressive challenges.
See the pattern here?
That’s probably why Luiz wasn’t a center-back for Benfica. What we’re seeing in England matches the scouting report we got from Portugal.
This is who David Luiz is, the good and the bad.
Given that central defense isn’t a place where you can afford mistakes, it seems reasonable to ask the question that was asked and answered at the Estadio da Luz: should Luiz play a position other than center-back?
Let’s consider the options. Left back is locked-up by Ashley Cole. But Chelsea have a problem at right back. Luiz has a pretty decent right foot, as Manchester United can attest. Perhaps Ivanovic can move back to his preferred role in the center of the defense, where he’s been a rock. And Chelsea can exploit Luiz’s speed and skill by putting him at right back. He certainly has the pace to take on defenders.
Or he could move up the pitch a bit as a holding midfielder. make a mistake there and it isn’t as costly as at the back. And his attacking flair could add a dimension to the position that neither Mikel nor Essien have been able to muster this season.
So let’s put the question to you.
Given his strengths and his weaknesses, where would you play David Luiz?
spot on mate.luiz is one of those guys who’ll take a player head on.he doesnt like a player holding the ball in front of him.thats his nature.and sometimes that can be his downfall.at right back he will fit in but i think to get the best out of his vision we should use him in front of the back two.from there he can push forward and have a crack at goal often.get van der wiel,sanchez and neymar and someone to replace lamps.there are few names mentioned like hazard,bale etc.but why arent we trying on schweinstieger.why???
He s much better suited at his natural CB role…mind u he plays same role in Benfica only functn as cover up when theres problem wit d positn…regarding d issue f penalty hes stil learning mind u hes an aggressive lad and always want to win d ball…vidic skrtel and co made same mistake f conceding penalty during first spell in EPL so dt crucify him hes still learning he would soon get use to challenges opponent neatly
We can recall Michael Macienne hes a very gud young lad and suitable option in RB instead f splashing cash on vander wiel
A holding mid field role will be akin to the newly assigned Pepe role Mourinho has discovered only that Luiz will be better with his ball playing skills. And of course there’s Alex to partner JT in central defence behind Luiz.
The role of a holding midfielder will suit him most.
he just needs to learn how to time his tackle….i believe we should leave him at the center of defense cos thats where it really suits him….if he understands the epl games better…he would be a commanding general of the box like vidic….apart from that role,,we could make him a holding midfielder cos of his charge and vision for goal…he could be our Alexandre song!
how can this write up have 1100 views and only 5 comments…y’all need to participate more on this blog….and BC kindly follow me back on twitter… @princeakad …it would be appreciated and if any of y’all are on twitter….lets have your handle espectially you wxwax….KTBFFH!
changed my gravatar….KTBFFH
Good example!
Fascinating results in the poll, so far.
Lots of votes.
Currently, Right Back is getting the most votes, followed by Holding Mid and coming up last is Luiz’s current position, Center Back.
Looks like I’m not the only one wondering if he might be playing out of position.
I would love to hear comments from our new visitors!
Mancienne’s a bit of a mystery. Got a patellar tendon injury at Wolves, still isn’t playing much since his March return. He looked beatable last time I saw him play. But I haven’t seen him play at fullback.
i think this summer will decide the upcoming fate of blues.Last summer we made some mistakes which cost us dearly.And we need to stick with Carlo .Not many teams can secure 2nd position after getting 3 months of poor results
Imho, hmf role also requires a cool head (a la makalele), exactly what David doesn’t have. in Chelsea’s 4-3-3 this is the most omportant role in MF. And I am very happy with Mikel playing in this position: he went through some nervous period but settled nicely in hmf role and his return gave us much needed stability and structure. But I agree, in the RB role Luis could be great, why not try it…
I feel he must play holding mid but only if he got the accuracy that mikel has…nt sure abt that but i feel that its the only way to reduce the cost we gotta pay 4 his rash play
gotta mature in pre season or move to rb or cdm
Great timing! Only yesterday, my interview was published in a blog (by Luca Massaro) under ‘Industry Spotlight’. In that interview, I had mentioned that David Luiz should play as a holding midfielder :) But then it poses a big selection problem as one of our regular midfielders need to be dropped. If he were to succeed in that role, Mikel might even look elsewhere.
BlueChampion,
““Recognise that you’re unique. Keep doing what you enjoy. Be original.””
Good one, BC.
Yeah. Just be yourself!
For every 1 to 2 people that don’t like you, there are 8 others out there that do. Cheers!
Defenitely not holding midfielder …
First of all, David Luiz is not ready to play in EPL at all. He is too aggressive and as you can see he gives up many penalties. he still does not know british football. He is aggressive, he tackles too early. So, if you ask me which position at this moment, I would say if Iva, Alex,Terry,Ashly are ready, sit him on beanch.
ok, now imagine they are not ready …
DM: Defenitely not. we have really good young talented DM such as Mikel and Essien, we have young Josh too, so why should we waste these talents. and I amsure if we use him as DM, he will be sent off every 5 games …
CD: Not at this moment, he is a really good defender with unique skill for CD, but he is too aggressive, Carlo should work with him, but he is not my ideal CD
RB: Yes, he is away from box, so he will not give away penalties , and he is skillfull . I would go for RB, specially because I beleive we have to sell Jose Bosingwa in summer.
Let’s not get carried away.
:)
That’s where Carlo has played McEachran so far. But I think that might be to protect him.
With McEachran’s build and skill set, I think he’s better suited to playing a lot further forward on the field. Frankly, I think he’s a bit of a Lampard replacement. Central playmaker, mostly, with occasional shots.
I think Luiz should be given time to settle as a central defender. He’s only 23 and will learn from the likes of Terry, Alex and Ivanovic. If in a year he’s still guilty of all the mistakes he’s made than perhaps he should be moved to a different position, but for now let’s keep him where he is.
Anyone catch the Madrid-Barca game today? Not a great game by any means. Looks like Barca have it wrapped up heading back to the Nou Camp.
Watching that game made me angry at FIFA and UEFA, as these organizations have done little to stamp out all the rampant cheating that goes on these kind of games. Here you have Pedro, Busquets and Dani Alves diving around and clutching their faces in agony at the slightest bump from an opponent. It’s blatant cheating and it’s a disgrace. Yet FIFA goes after snoods instead. If Sepp Blatter or his minion Platini had a nano-molecule of a brain between them, they’d direct the referees they oversee to enter dressing rooms before games and tell the players that any play acting or diving will be met with a card. I’d love to see all of that fake agony turn into real pain on the face of Sergi Busquets, a notorious cheater who’s proven himself a disgraceful representative of the game.
The match was box office! So much drama before, during and after the game. I love the drama and sensation of such football matches. The football was a bore – by both teams – Real Madrid and Barcelona. It’s Messi’s moment of brilliance that saved the match.
Barca are the best football team currently. And they do get favours from UEFA on an alarmingly regular basis. When the quality of Barca and the support of UEFA come together, it becomes a too big a task than it should be for teams to overcome them. Barca might say that they deserve to win. By their quality, they would always play in such a way that they deserve to win. Doesn’t mean that’s good enough to progress. The matches are decided by goals and away goals and nothing else.
The manner in which Barca players were play acting, rolling over the floor, clutching their faces when touched in their torsos, hounding the referee, pressurising the referee to get someone sent off etc is why they would never be regarded as the best ever team. Real Madrid were also guilty but not as much and they’re never the saints that Barca are made out to be. The most petulant lot I’ve seen on a football pitch.
In my mind, such play acting, rolling over the floor, clutching their faces when touched in their torsos, hounding the referee, pressurising the referee to get someone sent off etc is anti-football. This is killing football. Something needs to happen to stop this. Barca needs to be knocked off their perch exactly for this.
The cheat sheet is growing. It’s all in the important matches. They beat in the final of the champions league with a blatant off side equaliser goal from Samuel Eto in the 80th min. Plus, Arsenal were 10-men playing against 11-men Barca in that final and still needed referee’s support to win the title. In this season, van Persie was sent off for a nothing event. Time wasting? In that very campaign, they overcame Carlo’s Milan in controversial circumstances when Shevchenko’s legal goal was disallowed. That goal would have put Milan through.
The day they unfairly knocked Chelsea out at Stamford Bridge still stays in mind. That’s left a very bad taste in my mouth. Especially, the comments that they made after game simply just enraged me further. I took so much pleasure when Inter knocked them out at Camp Nou and I realise that it’s not enough for me. I don’t think we have got the justice for Stamford Bridge 2009 yet. In the unlikely event of Madrid coming back and dumping Barca at Camp Nou, I’d even hope Man Utd win the cup, as they at least play hard and fair on the pitch (at least Howard Webb won’t be officiating).
Refereeing errors do happen time and again for all clubs – some in your favour and some against you. It is the alarming pattern and regularity that’s very disturbing. Jose has made some serious allegations after the match. I’m sure he’ll get punished for that. But I’m happy he talked about. All the clubs seem to realise how Barca is favoured but no one wants to talk about because they are a great footballing team and anything said against will sound like a loser’s rant. I’m happy that Jose is talking about. Now more clubs and managers will join and this voice will get stronger. Once again, I don’t think we have got the justice for Stamford Bridge 2009 yet.
One thing’s for sure. It’s not the same Barca anymore. They have started feeling the pressure. It shows in their gamesmanship, it shows in Pep’s words, it very evident. Yes, they will progress to the finals, by all means. But they aren’t comfortable. Next season is going to be very interesting.
Believe me, Josh is quite good as a holding midfielder despite his light build. Because he’s very intelligent and reads the game well and knows where he should be at any point in time. He wins the ball using more of technique and less of pace and strength. On the other hand, though he’s light, it’s hard to take the ball off him, no matter how ‘big’ the opponent is. He can be a classic distributor who converts defence into attack. Right now, Mikel or Essien wins the ball and distributes and then it needs to start an attack. When you have a very good ball player with a wide range of passing, your defence will very quickly turn into attack and teams would not attack us freely as they might want. Worth trying out.
Farcelona are a ” F…….ING DISGRACE” again !
What a letdown as their football is so good….it seems they have no shame at all…or class…..or decency or morals at all…..
The playacting and the back-up goalie being shown the red card OFF the field.. and the foulmouthed ranting all show how low they are…. now the only question is……. HOW LOW WILL BARKA GO ?
A shame that Messi plays for a team and a coach.. that espouses skill and style… when in reality they are not fit to lick my boots !
Barkelona is a ” F…KING DISGRACE ” again !
The only question now is : “HOW LOW WILL THEY GO ?”
If Luiz is “too” agressive what is Ramires?
Ah, David Luiz is in such a class of his own in the premier league compared to other footballers that it doesn’t really matter where he plays on the field. Atleast for now, lets wait a bit and permit him to play (CB) until he gains some more confidence, composure on the ball and experience. Jon Obi Mikel at (DM). My first team for our club: Cech, Ivanovic, Luiz, Terry, Cole, Benayoun, Mikel, Lampard, Ramires, Torres and Drogba.
Now, Madrid v Barca was such a delightful and entertaining Uefa Champions league match. I am a neutral, but Jose Mourinho’s tactics against Barca was completely anti-football. Lionel Messi scored a brilliant brace and this guy doesn’t need to dive or cheat as he is pure class (MoM). Why would you instruct the team, which is filled with mega-stars to play such negative football? Why would you go into the match without any forwards? It was so obvious that one of the Madrid players were bound to get sent off. Pepe deserved that red card and Sergio Ramos was dirty as usual when confronted with class. Pedro was so wrackful that he deserved a yellow card to stop his theatricss. I don’t feel like writing much, but this match was brilliant. You can’t let 1 to 2 Barca players spoil a good teams performance. Thank you Pep Gardiola and Barcalona for entertaining us. I just love decent fooball. An interesting observation/fact is that if it wasn’t blatantly obvious that Jose Mourinho is terrified of Pep’s Barca, its now plain and simple for everyone to see for themselves. Cheers!
Tremayne Craigg,
i don’t think that luiz is agresiv his a very good player not like remires have got a red card and still playing like……. i don’t know what i schould say than chelsea forever.
JoseHoliday,
Barcelona not Barkelona JoseHoliday
Rors21,
your right Rors21 give him achance he will change this is the first time ha plays for a english club
Spanish football is a disgrace. Barcelona was just one part of this despicable display of a semi final, admittedly they were diving left right and center, play acting like they were auditioning for a splatter movie. Only positive was Messi’s shear world class, second goal was in Maradona catagory. As for Real, it’s clear that Mourinho had fired up too much and the players were over-motivated. And to be honest Mourinho’s tactics couldn’t have been more wrong. Home game and 29% possession in 1st half reveals intentions. Furthermore Ozul was played in the wrong position, making him obsolete. To anticipate criticism of TSO; Yes I know Mourinho was once Chelsea, but that doesn’t make him perfect, and he definitely lost the game for Real. It’s too easy to blame the ref, he actually did a very good job the circumstances taken into consideration. The players, and that goes for both teams, were a disgrace. The constant intimidation of the ref was so sad to watch, and to be honest I think it’s getting worse in football generally speaking. I have said this before, but football has to learn from rugby (including introducing video-refs), here a ruling is accepted and the players get on with the game without behaving like spoilt brats.
So if UEFA is going to improve the game of football they need to:
1) Come down hard on diving and play-acting. Red cards is not too harsh in a lot of cases. Alternatively 15 mins in the “sin-bin”.
2) Intimidating refs and use of foul language and disgraceful attitudes could also be penalised with red cards.
I’m sure if above sanctions were introduced, then football would become the beautiful game again.
Judging by the the debate in the paper and television and the strong reaction on Twitter last night against the disgraceful display and behaviour, thousands were turned of by watching football.
Well … what a match it was yesterday… it really did live up to the hype it generated… but for all the wrong reasons…
In any case… in Jose’s post match rant he mentioned about guardiola winning UCL titles at the behest of scandals like the one against chelsea 2 yrs bac.. and one against madrid on wednesday….. I dont know how in the world can these two incidents be spoken of in the same breath… agreed that barca players were diving in a way that would have given the chinese olympic diving team a run for their money .. but pepe’s red card decision was always a 50:50…how can you compare this to Gerard pique playin beach volleyball in the barca box 2 yrs ago… and mr. overbo not awarding the penalty…. as far as UCL goes .. no one wud have suffered more than us due to ref decisions.. and people shud acknowledge tht… and yes.. i think entering a game with regular 5 defenders in front of your home crowd.. and having less than 30% of the possession is not actually typical of a club tht is seen by many as possesing one of the most gifted attacking talents in the world…..so TSO got it wrong .. end of story… situation cannot be related to what happened to us in 2009…
in other news… “reports” on 40 mil move for Bale and 18 mil for lukaku….. and also some suggesting anelka zhirkov and malouda are movin out.. ..does neone buy this piece of info…?
Actually, I think Mourinho’s tactics were spot-on. You don’t beat Barca by committing men forward and playing in a cavalier way. You’ve got to be defensive-minded, otherwise they’ll tear you apart. They’re that good. For 255 minutes (one full game, the 120 min. cup final and the first half of last night’s game), Mourinho’s defensive tactics worked pretty well. Barca had only scored one goal, and that was from a penalty. Barca were clearly out of rhythm and struggling to impose their slick style on these games. Last night, I think Mourinho wanted to keep Barca under control and kind of grind them down, which they did in the Copa Del Rey. A 0-0 result wouldn’t have been bad, as it would allow Real to go to the Nou Camp knowing a scoring draw was all that was needed to go through. Things fell apart after Pepe was sent off. Having to deal with Barca with 10 men is just plain tough, and you could tell Real kind of ran out of steam towards the end.
I never thought I would say anything positive about C Ronaldo, but yesterdays match forces me to do so. It concerns one of the most dramatic moments in the game. Ronaldo was frantically chasing the ball on the Barca half, realising that he would get no support from his team mates and his dejection realising just that. The way his body language clearly showed a player who wanted to play football, but the managers tactic didn’t allow for that, was tragic.
I couldn’t agree more.
Like or dislike Mourinho’s tactics as you will. At least it’s proper football.
What Barca does every single match is not football. Barcelona are a disgrace.
Yet no-one talks about it. No-one punished them for it.
Everyone talks about Barca’s great football. Well, their fake injuries and ref badgering are a huge part of who this Barcelona team is. I find it disgusting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOHdTDrjDvA
Above link shows the Ronaldo situation. Gianluca Vialli explaining. Approx 2mins 5 secs into the video.
The video also confirms that Pepe’s red card was justified
It’s exactly how he beat Barcelona in the Copa del Rey. And it’s how he drew with Barca in their second league match.
Nothing wrong with his tactics. He was hoping for a pair of 1-0 wins. Perfectly legitimate, if a bit dull. Fascinating tactically, though, for those with a taste for it.
The problem was a weak ref who gave in to Barcelona’s cheating.
I agree completely.
Never happen.
Nope.
Studs down. Clearly going after ball. Not reckless, not endangering. Not even direct contact, more a glancing strike on Alves’ shin pad.
That’s a rather generalised statement. I totally agree that diving and harassing refs should be stamped out, but that aside no-one in their right mind can say that Barca is not playing good football. I know most of us hate Barca and justifiable too considering the Øvrebo game, but that shouldn’t turn us into fundamentalists and deject all things Barca.
The laws of physics states that you have to apply energy to move an object. Alves cannot spin in the air like that without a force being applied. Also look at the way Pepe turns his foot and follows through.
OK, let’s ignore the diving and faking and ref badgering that is one half of Barca’s game.
The other half is horrendously boring possession football. 80 sideways passes is entertaining?
I watch Barca matches in La Liga and I get sleepy. Then there’s that moment of brilliance, almost always involving Messi, when they break through.
Take away Messi and Barca become Arsenal. Except that Arsenal don’t dive, fake and badger the ref.
Mentioning Arsenal. The return game Barca vs Arsenal was probably the best football game ever played. That was pure exhibition.
As for Mourinhos conspiracy theories about Barca, both Ancelotti and Wenger have dismissed it.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11668_6902111,00.html
TSO is currently a megalomania border-line case. His latest quote: ” I find it difficult to live in a world like this” also suggests paranoia
You need to watch a few more Alves games. He’s quite adept at spinning in the air with minimal contact. In another life he’d be Greg Louganis.
@wxwax, Alves needs to be in the Museum of Science then.
@BlueChampion
I am sorry to point it out but you do wear rose tinted glass when you speak anything that has to do with Mourinho. I usually don’t bother to comment but if you fail to see why Madrid lost yesterday, It’s just a shame really.
There are questions that need to be answered:
1) This is the Madrid team: 5 Defenders, 2 Defensive Midfielders, 3 Wingers/AM. Why, especially when you consider that the match was played in Santiago?
2) Utterly negative tactics by Madrid. I know the victory counts in the end but killing the joy of watching such a great match is criminal.
3) Why No Higuian or Benzema? Why Adebayor of all people?
4) Deserved red card for Pepe. At best 50-50 decision.
5) Barca are not all good and they do get a little protection from above but as I see it everything evens out over time. What excuse would Mourinho use for La Liga inspite of such a strong squad?
Hardly.
It was a foul, of course. But not a red.
See if you can jump straight up and then spin. Bet you can. That was a typical Alves theatrical dive.
Because that’s how he defeated Barcelona in the Cope del Rey final.
Adebayor towers over the tiny Barca team and is a good header of the ball.
Are you seriously mad? I’m 46 yrs old, I’ll break every bone in my body
wxwax,
The way I see it is that Mourinho has a team capable of beating Barcelona at their own game. With Chelsea, it was different because our squad is a whole different thing. With us, it’s more of a necessity.
Why try to convert a perfectly good squad into Chelsea?
Adebayor might be the best header around but that still doesn’t explain anything or particularly, Why so NEGATIVE in approach?
wxwax,
Yes but I think Carlo is doing right. Carlo wants to use Josh the same way he was using Pirlo in Milan. He wants to start play making on his own half. It makes sense to me and it makes sense using josh as DM as well. Josh is smart, he has good eyes , he is capable of doing long range passes,I would use Josh as DM too.
Because when he tried to play a more open style against Barcelona he lost 5-0.
He changed tactics to something truer to his heart and it got him a draw and then a win. Makes sense to keep on using them. He used a similarly defensive style against Barca last season when Inter beat them.
And Guus Hiddink took Barca to the limit using the same philosophy.
Adebayor was brought on in both the Copa and the ClL to provide an aerial threat on the breakaways.
Ha! Me too!
As a fan you don’t care how you win as long as you get the results. Hence why no sane person would sack Jose.
As a man coaxed by jealous twats you foolishly make the biggest mistake of your life.
4 facts forced Jose out.
The sexy football factor.
The John Terry factor.
The Shevchencko factor.
The Grant/De Visser/Arnesen factor.
Why Carlo won’t leave…
These factors are in his favour.
He delivers sexy football.
Terry loves him.
He plays Torres and is looking for a way to help him progress.
The board loves him as he doesn’t have a big mouth and is a suck up.
That’s a new one. Please explain.
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/es/1330054865989/noticia/Noticia/Las_imagenes_de_television_demuestran_que_Pepe_no_toca_a_Alves.htm
Guys, watch this video.
Give the lads in Catalunya an Oscar…they deserve it !
KTBFFH !!
You may think it might have bias given that it’s one from the official Real Madrid website. But don’t bother with the commentary (those of you unfamiliar with the Spanish language will benefit), just watch the clips. They’ve slowed down the ‘tackles’ on the Barca players and it all looks so fishy, none more than the red card for Pepe; he didn’t catch Alves at all. There was NO contact.
It’s a shame really. Barcelona play some mind-blowing football. It makes them a very good team, great even. But its the play-acting and preferential treatment that gets them the ”Invincibles” tag.
KTBFFH !!
That’s an old one mate.
@wxwax, I think I have found the explanation to why Alves according to you can spin in the air without too much energy applied. He shares the genes with this caterpillar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wZe9qWi-LUo#at=37
Anadi Raj Tiwari,
Well, I thought I’ll just give my view on the Madrid vs Barca match and move on. It can’t quite happen that way right?
Why did Madrid adopt a defensive approach? Well I see that it’s a pragmatic approach. Barca have a weakness. When you identify a weakness in your opponent, you exploit it. If that happens to be the best team in the world, you’re all the more inclined to do it. Man Utd did it to perfection (watch that Camp Nou match if you can), Chelsea did it very well. Inter also did it well. Barcelona, for all their creative geniuses in their line-up, has not been able to open up defences. I’ve always said that Rijkaard’s Barcelona was better than Pep’s Barcelona. Of course, Pep’s team has won more than Rijkaard’s. But since Barca takes pride in the way they play the game, in that scale, Rijkaard’s team were super-creative while Pep’s team is more skill-based and functional.
For Barca’s style, if they lack creativity, they will always be frustrated by tactically astute teams. When Ronaldinho and Deco were around, they were truly creative. You couldn’t predict their next attack and how it’s gonna happen. I won’t say that about this Barca team. They are horribly predictable but they have good enough skilled players to hurt you even when you know what they’re gonna do. So, the current Barca has a weakness. If I were an opposition coach, I’d exploit it until they fix it.
The burden of winning is bigger than our joy of watching. Madrid has been great to watch all season and in the few matches against tougher opposition (only Barca), they can choose how to play. With so many creative geniuses in Barca why can’t they carve open a defence. Why do they always need to be 11 vs 10?
Pepe a red card? Not in my world. That was a foul at worst. Red card? Yes when Alves goes down like he was shot and cries for an ambulance and 10 Barca players surround the referee gesturing and screaming to have Pepe sent off. In the copa del rey final, playing Pepe in the midfield was the surprise masterstroke. Barca knew that there were a few Madrid players on yellows. Plus they knew the midfielder Pepe was the thorn in their flesh. They very cheaply got Pepe sent off and also had few other players suspended for the next leg.
This was my tweet on the second Messi goal, that killed the tie: “I think Messi was able to dance through the Madrid defenders because, after Pepe, they were scared of missing the second leg”. I stand by it. Yes, it was good work by Messi but remember it was 1-0 to Barca then with less than 10 mins to go. No one wanted to touch Messi. No one wanted to tackle. He can go down like a bowling pin and the routine of Barca players getting into the head of the referee would happen. One day, Victor Valdes might pick the referee’s pocket and show the red card himself for an opponent player (and might get away with that). Messi scored such a goal dancing through the Madrid defence not because he beat the Madrid players with skill but because they were scared of touching him and getting sent off and making the second leg out of reach.
Mourinho has built a very strong squad at Madrid. No matter how strong it is, it would never match the Barcelona squad because of how these squads are assembled. Certainly, not in the first season. Even at Inter, there were questions raised about Inter’s failures in his first season. By his own admission, his teams become ‘his teams’ from the second season onwards and you can see why.
Also why do teams need to play like Barca to beat Barca? Not necessary. Any smart manager would tell you that your approach for the day is based on your and your opponents’ strengths and weaknesses.
Lets be honest. He’s built a very good squad. He’s improved Real Madrid. He’s won a trophy, beating Barca in the final. They’re in the right direction.
Even if he were to leave now, he leaves a great squad for his successor (just like at Chelsea and Inter). Trust me, Catalunya will celebrate if Mourinho were to leave Real Madrid. For me, that’s a clear sign of resurgent Madrid.
Rose-tinted glasses? Yes. I admit. I’m as biased as the other person. I don’t pretend like I’m a neutral. When it comes to the institutions and personalities that I admire and support, of course I am biased. Who is not?
JM said this in 2005-06 when he was managing Chelsea. Against Barca at Stamford Bridge, Messi rolled around and around until Del Horno was sent off for what was a poorly timed but 50-50 charge (if I remember right). After the match, JM said: “How do you say cheating in Catalan? Can Messi be suspended for acting? Barcelona is a cultural city with many great theatres and this boy has learned very well. He’s learned play-acting”. But the sad thing is, it is only JM who keeps talking about the dark side of Barca while the others only admire them.
At least now, there’s some momentum gaining around the cheap side of Barca. That’s very important.
We got the new Kaka. Going after new Drogba ( Lukaku) and now after new Anelka.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3553630/Chelsea-will-have-to-see-off-Manchester-City-if-they-want-to-sign-French-whizkid-Jean-Christophe-Bahebeck.html
A new messi and ronaldo will do :-)
There’s no way in a thousand years that that Pepe challenge merited a red card. Alves cheated, plain and simple.
I don’t like Man U. but I’ll be rooting for them in the final. With the exception of Nani, at least they play hard and fair.
Barcelona is a team made up of 11 mortal players; There’s not a single person arguing over this and yes, they do cheat, moan, act but so do Madrid. I still stand by my view that Pepe’s red might have been a genuine mistake if it was so. The Referee didn’t have reruns of the clip or photographs published by Marca to make a decision. He had to make a decision and in that circumstances He did what he thought was right. He might have made a error or he might not have but following football for so long as I have done, I am in a position to say that wrong decisions even out over time. Mourinho has got decisions in his favour when He shouldn’t have and laws of average say that He won’t get a few correct one and like every human being He has to take it in his stride.
There are too many if-buts but that is not the way anyone judges anyone. The result counts in the end.
What I really questioned were the tactics? Mourinho took Barca by surprise in Copa Del Ray but as you have pointed out this Barca team is coached by a better coach than Riijkard and that’s a hard fact of life. You cannot use same tactics over and over again and expect the opposition to repeat what they have been doing throughout the whole year. Mourinho has won but He is not the type of coach that build legacies; Not for Chelsea, not for Inter, not for Madrid. You see improvement, I see Failure. We both have our own views on that
and there is no point on challenging each other. The key note is that Madrid has the best GK in Spain, an able defense, a midfield filled with surplus talent and an extremely capable Attack. I am not saying that He should be sacked or He has not done adequate but considering the circumstances He should not be deemed untouchable because He managed to defeat Barca in Copa Del Ray; a condition which probably wasn’t high on Barca wishlist when you consider the 4 back to back El Clasico as factor.
Who plays for a draw at Home with a squad that talented?
It brings me back to Mourinho’s first season in charge when He drew against a poor Liverpool side at Home when He shouldn’t have. But when We did go out that year, No one questioned Why Chelsea failed to score over both legs? All the fuss that was made concerned with Ghost Goal.
Just like Barca, He has flaws and even ardent fans such as you should be willing to question when He makes an error because as far as I’m concerned it’s not always everyone’s fault other that Mourinho and his team.
And give that Messi lad a little credit because He did whiz past 4 defenders in a span of 10 seconds to score his second. He deserves credit; Don’t be bitter. And it’s probably Madrid players fault that they were that afraid to touch him because that’s giving up to circumstances that probably doesn’t even exist in the first place.
“No matter how strong it is, it would never match the Barcelona squad because of how these squads are assembled.” – Blokes like you are the reason why public fear Barcelona to such an extent as they do. They are a squad and nothing more. There brand of football is difficult to play against but they don’t have 11 Jordan/Federer/Tendulkar playing. In fact, I will go as far to say except for Xavi, Iniesta, Messi they have nothing of note in their squad.
Manchester VS Barca is the last CL game I will watch. and I will defenitely shout for Manchester.
CL is all fixed and corrupted. Whoever has stronger power in UEFA has opportunaty to win it, as simple as that.
in 2002, Italy Vs Korea, I found out that WC is all fixed. and I have never watched world cup since then… I will do the same to CL …
to me Community Shield has more value that CL because it is fair….
No wonder Chelsea has not won CL , we are not popular in UEFA …
BlueChampion,
Did you listen to Aren Wenger interiveiw ? French loser ….
It is amazing that Messi was selected as the best player in that competition that year … I just stick to 4 competitions , EPl, FA , Carling and Community , that is it …
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All teams, coaches have had their fair share of right and wrong decisions. No denying that. Jose Mourinho is a human. He makes mistakes, a lot of them, probably less than most of hence he’s successful. Anyways he makes mistakes. No denying that. Mourinho played for a draw. I’m denying that. What if I say his plan was to stay 0-0 upto an hour and then attack in the last half hour? That was apparently his plan, as per himself and his players. You can say that he was playing for a draw. A draw is a result that we get after 90 minutes. The game changing moment happened 30 mins before. Also, it’s nice to see people slowly backtracking on Pepe’s red. Now it’s very clear that Pepe didn’t even touch Alves.
You talked about good and bad decisions. I do know you get both over a period of time. My question is, why is Barca always benefitted in champions league in the last 5-6 seasons? Tell me which other European team had as many refereeing assistance in crucial matches, especially in the knockout round from round of 16, quarter finals, semi finals and finals. It’s Barca by a country mile? These things happened for Jose Mourinho – all against Barcelona in champions league knock out rounds – (a) Drogba was unjustly red carded at camp nou which ruled him out for the second leg. (b) Del Horno was unjustly red carded at Stamford Bridge (c) Thiago Motta was wrongly red carded at Camp Nou (d) Pepe was wrongly red carded at Bernabeu. All for the same same manager – all against the same club – Barcelona – all incorrect red cards. Por que? Por que? Por que?
You certainly misunderstood this line of mine – “No matter how strong it is, it would never match the Barcelona squad because of how these squads are assembled”. What I meant was, Barcelona a philosophy, a heritage that they want to continue, a strong vision and a methodology for player development. In their current model, their squad will naturally be very strong. Whereas, Madrid assembles their squads. Their squads are not as ORGANIC as Barcelona. So these squads will not be the same. This doesn’t mean Madrid cannot beat Barcelona. I was talking about relative squad strengths.
And yes, Mourinho builds very good squads. In order to build a legacy, a coach needs to stay in a place for a long time, that he wouldn’t. But the squad that he assembled or developed as champions won a double even last season. The core hasn’t changed much. The squad at Inter, in the hands of a good coach, can do wonders. It fell for Rafa Benitez and Leonardo. Not JM’s fault. In Real Madrid, this squad is young and hungry. Wait to see what happens.
I would love to see David Luiz play as a fullback!