“Nothing Good Would Come With Grant As Chelsea Coach” – Tal
We have talked about players confidence, trust and respect on Avram Grant. This outburst by Tal Ben Haim on Avram Grant could just be the tip of the iceberg.
Tal Ben Haim had said:
José Mourinho is the reason I came to Chelsea and if I knew Avram Grant was going to be the coach then I would have signed for another club. It was José who brought me here and no one except he and I know the conversation we had when he tried to sign me the first time a year ago last January. The fact is while José was the coach I played most of the games and people who know me know that I would not have come here to be a reserve. I knew that nothing good would come with Grant as Chelsea coach.
See I’m not in favour of playing Ben Haim when he’s not playing well. But the statements made by him go deeper than his own first team chances. He says he would not even have joined Chelsea if he knew Grant was to replace Jose. Finally his statement that he knew “nothing good would come with Grant as Chelsea coach” is a very very strong one. Not sure if he meant nothing good would come to him or nothing good would come to Chelsea. I don’t think it’s the former because he says ‘he knew’. When Grant took over his compatriot should have somewhat fancied his chances right? Now the official Chelsea FC website would come out with a piece that it is a misquoted interview, but that’s their job.
Players do get disappointed when they don’t play but you don’t see players saying to the press that their club won’t get anything good with his current manager. There could be more such players – Shevchenko was improving, Malouda started well and faded off, even Terry, Drogba and Lampard would have few things in their heart but may not really come out and say that. Grant being so uninspirational would make life so difficult especially for the players who are young and also those who have just moved. It’s not just if they are playing, they would also be asking themselves “are we developing, are we improving under this man“.
In a way, Tal could be a brave man in saying this. It was so unnatural to see players not talking about Jose at all and even worse not talking about Avram Grant too. Look at Spurs. See how proud their players are about Juande Ramos. See how proud Man City players are, about their new manager Sven Goran Eriksson. From Chelsea, you don’t hear a thing about how good Avram is. You see only one person talking about Avram’s football and his tactics etc – that’s Avram himself.
A surprise for you. This news even got published in the official chelsea wesbite, in the Russian site. Don’t mind the funny translation by google.

With all such happenings, Chelsea FC is becoming a laughing stock. From a feared European powerhouse, we are slowly but surely being reduced to a mockable also-rans. Any more players coming in with such stories would be bad for the club in the short run. But if these things tell us some things about how the team is run, how the players are managed, how the preparations are made, how the training and development is conducted, it would be worth taking the nonsense.
“no one except he and I know the conversation we had when he tried to sign me the first time a year ago last January.”
Speaks a lot about what had happened in jan 2007 transfer when we desperately wanted a CB
TBH’s Premature Ejaculation.
Just hold on till summer, both the Subject and Object of this post will be nowhere on the birdge.
I think Grant is right on this one. TBH just ain’t good enough for CFC. He should never have come, if anyone should be blamed its Mourinho for bringing sub-standard defenders. Instead of 5 defenders of Everton standard (Alex, TBH, Ferreira, Bridge, Belleti) we would have been so much better off with 1 or 2 Clichy’s or Evra’s. Instead we have now play big games with Essien at Right-Back – I blame Mourinho for this. We lost a title playing Essien in defence and over the summer he brings not one world class defender!
@ Brian – utter tosh. So it’s all Mourinhos fault is it? The fact that he had to hunt out free transfer cos RA would buy any more might be closer to the answer. And yeah, lets fill up on more expensive foreigners huh? Again, tosh. Ferreira was the best rb for the 2 years we won the PL, and lets face facts here, last year under Mourinho with all them injuries we finsihed second, fighting to the end, and won the 2 remaining domestic trophies and a semi final in the CL. If you were a real fan you’d know that 10 short years ago that would have been cloud cuckoo land. TBH might be Everton standard, but the others are much better than you state.
Anyone interested in sticking a name down on this? It’s a small protest but it could go quite big with enough circulation
http://www.petitiononline.com/CFCMan/petition.html
Brian@3, you blame Mourinho when the petty, tantrum throwing club owner systematically refused to buy players just cos he was not seeing eye to eye with jose? are you saying alex, belleti, ferreira and bridge are poor defenders? you know what? your comments show you know zilch bout footie.
“The fact is while José was the coach I played most of the games”
That is probably one of the very few mistakes JM did. But he didn’t have a choice of another CB, so I guess you can’t blame him entirely.
“and people who know me know that I would not have come here to be a reserve”
Indeed, maybe he’d prefer to be in first team in Barnsley or something. Such clubs are the only places he’d be in starting 11 regularly (barring injury issues to the club).
If Shevchenko was even close to being arrogant and unprofessional as Drogba, he’d have shouted against AG off the top of his head. Good to see that players are getting in to their senses and leaving AG – there’s no future for players or the club under the Israeli ass.
ben haim is just a sore freak who doesn’t know that he is a useless piece of crapshit.
if he was so frustrated why didn’t he leave in jan???
chelsea are going to make allot of changes this summer. from good sources a read that pizza, sheva, ben haim and gudicini ARE GOING to leave, and maybee even swp and malouda. and that wayne, lampard, and drogba WANTS to leave. i dont care really i just dont want lampard, gudicini and wayne brige to leave. i just want avram to leave and laudrup to come.
TBH came for the big big $$$$$$$ one more player over paid in the easy sepender JM
Infect AG was the one that made this player out of nothing back in Israel,AG was TBH manager when he was young and gave him the first team spot
One thing TBH was well knowen was his problematic attitude and his lack of manners,
If i could ask him who he thinks he should play before
JT ?
Alex ?
Ricky ?
what would be a fair answer ?
He is not by near there class .
He got to play few times under AG but didn’t really made an impact, others played much better
AG should fine him with about one month pay..
I don’t recall BC ever thinks TBH is a Chelsea standards player
But now when he opens his childish mouth BC embrace him with one more Anti AG post
to the above post………great one dude…..
another one of the dozen sub standard players Jose brought in (i thought he had a very good talent for that if not anything else)Sidwell, Malouda, Pizarro, Del Horno, Ferreira, SWP, in fact i can go on and on, another bore of an article not worth even posting on a Chelsea blog as discussion………….
hey joeblue – i thought you ran for cover and would never return. earlier you posted often and now you post occasionally but one thing is common – nonsense. you know what, no one misses you. has been a better place when you’re not around!
great article BC. very valid points. almost all of us agree with you.
i especially liked this line: “they would also be asking themselves ‘are we developing, are we improving under this man’.” team is not improving or winning. players are not winning or gaining anything from toad.
joeblue – all managers have made poor purchases incl ferguson and wenger. you how poor wenger is with purchases, you know their failures? he is hailed because he was give such a long time to undo his mistakes and come up with something.
the ones listed by you are not bad purchases by jose. they are just back ups. back up players need not top class, if you understand football. also toad had already started its backstabbing due to which roman didnt give much money.
Sidwell – good second choice player but toad does not play him
Malouda – superb player until he was in france. toad doesn’t know what to do with him
Pizarro – bad first season, decent second choice striker, better than cassano, voronin, bendtner etc
Del Horno – again supposed to be second choice
Ferreira – superb player, still a superb player not used by toad
SWP – again a good back up but an expensive one
SoCFCfan @ 9
You got me wrong. Did I ever say TBH should have played or he is fair in claiming a place? No. I don’t rate TBH above any of our other defenders. You’re missing the point.
“nothing good would come under XYZ” – in which club in premier league do you think such a statement can be made by a player against his manager. the player and manager can have quite a lot of disagreements. but this one is questioning the manager’s very competence and capabilities. True to their heart how many of our players would say that they are happy to play under Grant and believe he can take us forward? No one will do. Not certainly after the genius brought on shevchenko when there were 30 seconds and the subbing process itself took 10 to 15 seconds.
What TBH is saying is “I’m not good so I don’t play. That’s fine. But if performance or pedigree is the parameter how come Avram Grant is the manager for Chelsea FC?”
As I said, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait until the can of worms open.
I don’t miss your point at all
TBH is not the first player to say stupid things he never should have said
There where many before Tal and I guess there will be more
Just for the record you need to know that what ever Tal say or do is after is father told him (his dad is a very tempered Pearson that say things before he think).
In any case TBH crape personality is well known in Israel.
With the way he get paid I would have shot my mouth.
Not even one professional player that has 3 better players then him is his role will say such thing except pure stupidity.
The little bit I read in this blog back from Sept I see how you change your mind about success
Back then 2ed place and CL semi was only for fools to believe.
Now that’s not good
Say or feel what ever you want about this guy But if it wasn’t for 3-4 goals concaved in the last minuets of few games we where 2-3 points lead
Everton
Aston Villa
Supers
Wigen
And yes that’s something to fix for next year + our scoring
There you have what was so missing this year
Blaming AG with out blaming JM.for his important tasks of picking the players is pulling the carpet under all your theories.
SoCFCfan
Back in Israel, even Grant is a well known infamous personality I guess. About my definition of success. having spent millions on top quality players, you’d expect them to finish in top 4. And with a draw that had Schalke, Rosenborg, Olympiakos and Fenerbahce, if Chelsea does not reach the semi finals of the champions league, Grant is worse than what I think of him.
Every team can make a list of last minute goals conceded. So if you’re going to adjust the chelsea results for those goals, please do so for the other title challengers and then see. By the way, the fact that AG does not know how to protect the lead is itself a serious problem. How can a top team let so many late goals and never learn from it. What’s AG’s role then?
I didn’t understand your last line. By the way, have we talked before? I get the feeling that we have.
I can’t say that this comment from Ben Haim is so much the icing on the cake as to how much of a laughing stock we have become, but that is only because there is so much icing to choose from.
What really frustrates me about Grant is the fact that he does not have a clue as to what he is doing, he can’t tell the press he has a plan, he can’t even tell them whether he has a job next season or not!
However, that is probably the fault of those above him at the club and that in itself is a problem. Peter Kenyon and Bruce buck cannot confirm whether or not AG will remain at the club next year, they can’t even release a lie via a press release, why, well it’s simple.
If thy released a statement to the press stating that Avram would remain in charge next years campaign, those players who are unsettled and undecided as to whether their future lay at the club would almost certainly not give their total commitment for the remainder of the season, that includes the Champions League. If they came out and released the opposite, where would that leave Avram, a man who knows that his neck is not so much on the block, more so hanging off as we speak.
So there we have it, we’re in a complete sorry state of affairs and who does it all boil down to? Big RA obviously. Fair enough he has invested heavily in this club and saved us from bankruptcy but that does not give him the right to treat us like a play-thing and get away with it. If Jose was still in charge we would not be in this situation and what is more we would not be close to the inevitable departure of our biggest name players.
Ladies and gents, we are a laughing stock, it’s just whether we choose to admit it or not.
Ben Haim – He can’t start before Calavarlo, Terry or Alex . I doubt Jose would also started him after a month. My only guess is since Alex was not into Premier League before this season, Jose was going slow.
With Ivanvoic also now in picture, do we need 5th central defender ( only if we have injuries).
AVG would have sold in Jan transfer window ( there were rumours about Spurs looking , but they have gone with Wood gate – it proved costly to us in Carling cup), but he wasn’t sure about Terry fitness and Ivanvoic availability to play immediately
I am guess all the three free transfers would be leaving chelsea this season.
@3. Brian
Brian have you been managed by AG? you seem to have lost any (football) common sense.
@SoCFCfan
are you israeli in disguise?
TBH only spoke what is so far the common knowledge of most players.
JM may have brought some “free transfers” only because RA didnt see eye to eye with him, so he went for the next best thing.
However even with “second rate” or free tansfers , JM would get the maximum out those player, the extra 10/20% that’s require to improve a player, to make him feel important, to make him feel he is part of a winning team, in another words to IMPROVE himself as a player. With this monkfish as a manager, he couldnt even motivate his own wife to drink water, let alone to motivate a player to give the extra 10/20% necessary to keep a lead.
John Ford is right in his analysis, I quite agree, the same reason why RA waited for september to sack JM, so the season tickets couls have been sold, it is no brainer.
I for one will not be buying my season ticket and will not buy merchandise if the monkfish stays as manager, RA can freeze has much as he wants the price for the season tickets i will not buy. period, even MKDons froze the price of their season tickets.
Yes RA saved the club from bankrupcy, however it is still the money of the supports that pay the salaries, including the monkfish salary.
I cant wait for the summer, so the players that leave chelsea and be transfered will be opening their mouths in interviews for the press, and it will be very very interesting.
Even in his interview Lampard when asked about the monkfish, he only said he is a man that knows a lot about football, now lets read between the lines, if you read enough books about football you also can know lots and lots about football, that does not make you a good manager.
If RA stops playing “fantasy manager”‘s role and give the team to a proper manager, someone similar to JM, not equal but similar, and stops to interfere with the selection of players, prob chelsea would have won 2 toffies by now.
With £100KK even I can hope to buy the best players, but wether they will join me or not would be a different matter.
Yes some top players may join chelsea, but the salary has to be one that can not be refused,( what it will make them mercenaries) not because they want to be managed by this monkfish or TOAD as he is called, privately, by the players.
There is no achievement at all from AG of his achievement this season, the man is so mediocre, that the ONLY reason he lost 2 points against wigan , was that he underestimated Wigan, by leaving so many top players out.
JM had an arrogance directly at the press but it was an ficticious arrogance, and a big mouth but always with the intention to protect his squad, but this monkfish has an arrogance based on ignorance of the game, it is no brainer that at this stage of the season with only 3 points behind and playing a relegation team you dont play the reserves.
With £100KK RA would do better to take him the monkfish and that bully b0i TC and give them their compensation and let the new manager choose the new players, and RA should have the dignity to stop this anguish between the monkfish and the supporters.
I am going to join the petition to boycott the season tickets and the merchandise, unless RA replaces AG.
If AG stays in chelsea the only way RA will get the message is if the supporters stop going to the matches, and start getting less than 30,000 fans in SB.
We are not only a laughing stock we are a circus where the top clown no longer makes laugh.
No season ticket or merchandise for me for the reasons written above, period.
I have bought no Chelsea stuff since JM left.
People
Don’t be so harsh on TBH.
He can IMPROVE.
People
Trust me TBH is world-class. Unfortunately he is not playing up to his potential.
People
Trust me TBH is world-class. Unfortunately he is not playing up to his ability/potential.
Krishna (comment 18)
“Ben Haim – He can’t start before Calavarlo, Terry or Alex”
- Yes he can!
@BC
I Got your point…………………..there’s no point in discussing grant now………….unless he pulls off a blinder in cl,he is as good as out…………..bruce buck has almost confirmed that……..peter kenyon has diplomatically complained about the way we play.
they could have lied about the moment but they didn’t even do that.
@Michael M
“”“Ben Haim – He can’t start before Calavarlo, Terry or Alex”
- Yes he can!”"
Is it vodka,whiskey or wine???????????
@BC
Who are your candidates for the manager post??????????
i hope that you will exclude mourinho from this list and talk about other options
hey crew
yeah i post nonsense, i said Jose shld be sacked and he was, i said Sneijder will be an asset to any team and he is, i say Ben Haim is shit and anybody who knows an ounce of football can see that…….i say loads of stuff and its all above your petty understanding so please let me be………
@Arthur
dude do you have any sense of what u are talking??? or do u post crap for fun, u are comparing Bendtner(who is decent enugh) with people like Pizarro??Arsenal’s policy of youth development is amazing, the players they have produced or even developed have come at such cut prices which Jose would not even have looked at, and now any player Wenger might want to sell would go for a minimum of twice the buying value, football is abuisness as well, just cuz Roman has loads of money dosent mean ur arrogant lord would throw it around for fun, till this day i feel like smacking Jose for signing SWP for 21 mn pounds, ok its one thing if a signing goes wrong but its just another when he was buying players at exoirbant rates just to frustrate his rivals, was this his personal money??
when Jose won the titles who were the players at the fore?? Lampard, Duff, Gudjohnsen, Robben, J.cole, Cech, Makelele, Terry did Jose sign any of them??that shows how great ur ‘god’ is, instead not only did he sell quite a few, he brought in complete shit to replace them, till date we are crying for a proper right back, till date we dont have one who can be counted at the highest level, Beletti, Essien, Ferreira, Boulahrouz and sometimes even SWP, even after ur god was here for 3 seasons, do ppl even rmbr how much he spent on this crap of a man Ferreira?? for nearly 13.5 mn pounds, does he seem like a player worth that much money??
u lot keep on talking abt the time when Roman dint let him sign TBH and blah blah blah, oh really could he have made such an impact, i hardly think so, when he gets so much money in the summer cant he atleast sign another CB, what was he thinking?? Terry and Carvy are supermen?? he even rejected Alex more than a couple of ties, why??
and what abt that LB controversy?? when we have Bridge whom i rate as good if not better than Cashley Cole, he sends that guy on loan and taps up Cole, moreover not only swaps one of our best players(Gallas) with one of our bigest rivals but also gives cash, and signs no replacements??? how typically Jose, the all knowing god, but it dosent end, ppl expect Roman to dole out more money and if he rejects another prospective(TBH) and now proved sub standard player he is called a backstabber eh??15 mn pounds for Malouda?? that shit who was outdone by a mile agnst even Barnsley?? wow blockbuster signing Jose, or 16 mn pounds for Mikel?? whom still i dont rate good enugh for Chelsea, a guy who cant head, cant tackle, has a suspect attitude and a habit of getting sent off, marvelous!!
Yes every manager has some poor signings, but Jose……… man, is he the king of shit signings or what??
yes he had his great qualities and his short comings but this is the only place where it seems the man who now dosent give two hoots(Jose) for us is revered as the greatest while the man who is the reason we are the whatever we are(Roman) is called a backstabber, betrayer and more such garbage, shameless, shameless fans is all i can say…..
joeblue . . JM had to bring success urgently. Watch the press conference when JM was unveiled. You’ll understand.
Wenger was given lots of time. He was and is never pressurised. How long have you been following football joeblue?
what do you mean by ‘Jose had to bring sucess urgently’??
i have been following football(Chelsea fan) for the past 7-8 years, Wenger was never given the amount of money to throw away as Jose had, infact he spends at an avg of 4-5 mn pounds every season(compare that to MR.perfect’s 50mn avg budget), when he came, the league was dominated by Manu, and Arsenal were nowhere in the picture, even then he has made them not only one of the biggest global brands in football but also got them 3 league titles(missing the 99 by 1 point), 4 fa cups, 4 community shields and the 03-04 season, one of the greatest EPL teams to walk this earth no mortal could beat, and not just undefeated but the brand of football he has brought there is unbelievable, he was the only true rival of United(until Roman came along, thankfully for us), and the gems he has excavated out of nowhere, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Viera, Fabregas, Clichy, Cole, Toure that too with such a tight string budget, his contribution to football is immense and the next time u decide to spout crap please get ur facts in order, it does not mater how long one has been a fan or not, but how much one loves the game, the sport itself, go ask urself that first and foremost!!
TBF
@Michael M
“”“Ben Haim – He can’t start before Calavarlo, Terry or Alex”
- Yes he can!””
Is it vodka,whiskey or wine???????????
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- Trust me TBH is world-class. Unfortunately he is not playing up to his ability/potential.
- Very funny big boy?
@Arthur
Wenger,fergusson are far ahead of Jose when transfer market is concerned.
will essien be ever sold for 24 million pounds again??????????????[don't get me wrong,essien is one of the world class players we have]
will drogba with all his 33 goals can ever bring back 26 million pounds????????????
or will anyone pay 16 million pounds for mikel???????????[fergusson payed 4 millions,jose payed 16 millions]
swp for 21 millions is the best example ever.
every manager has flops but i m taking about how much you pay and what you get in return when we want to dispose them??????
Hey JoeBlue … nice to see u again
If you compare wenger to jose then there is one more fact to it that jose has won champions league which wenger hasnt. jose is just 45 wenger 59… jose managed chelsea for 3 yrs and got 2 PL , 1 FA and 2 league cups(5) wenger in 12 yrs 3 PL and 4 FA (7).
Signing players jose hasnt been great but still cant neglect drogba, essien, carvahio in blue shirt!! However is a manager just known by his signings or the way makes his team play ? is this sole managers job or is it the scouts team which works on it?
lampard, gudjohnsen, duff,j cole, nakalele, terry along with crespo were there in 2003-2004 season also. why didnt we win that time? dont tell me arsenal were unbeatable as we finished 11 points adrift arsenal. Why we started outperforming big 4 suddenly after 2004 after jose arrival?? what happened to duff, gudjohnsen after leaving chelsea? are they great players now?
evryone makes mistakes and jose has made a few. But most importantly positives outweigh the negetives.
PS: keep posting as unlike crew said you are missed here
@Arthur
I hate le’arse and arsene but fact is noone currently in this world develop better youths…………..he takes carbon and convert them into diamonds.
look at Fabregas…………signed at 16 for free………..and at 20 he passes ball better than any of our players………..this lad has what i call vision,creativity.
look at henry-a juventus reject………wenger converted him into world’s best.
don’t forget pires,ashley,clichy etc
and forget it look at his two signings……..bacary is easily the best pl right back and eduardo is one of the best finishers…….
TBH may be speaking as a disguntled bench warmer. BUT, HE IS RIGHT! I hope Chelsea wins against Everton today IN SPITE OF GRANT!
renieri signed duff for 17 millions. veron for 14 millions. parker 10 million. they were some misfits but still doesnt rule out his good work for chelsea.
and more over jose had a very good squad to when he came collected by romans billions by renieri. What was the need to change the entire squad. The squad was already good they just need some reinforcement in certain areas like defence (carvalhio, ferreira) attack (drogba) which made it a complete squad and this squad got a great manager who knows its team who win championships not indivisuals. indivisuals win games.
@Nihongo
if i m not parker was mourinho’s signing
@nihongo blue
hey man, dont wrry, most ppl on this blog know by now that it wld take much more than crew to get me out of here ;) , infact it makes me remember those times when it was just me and M_D agnst every other person visiting this blog(good ol’ times), and i loved every moment of it!!
Anyways in no way am i comparing the two managers, they both have their pros and cons, but the larger impact on football has been of Wenger, and its not just winning trophies i m talkin’ about, (btw Drogba was signed by Ranieri), the scout team just give him the tips and the players shortlists, in the end what matters is what the manager wants, when Ranieri got them it seems he went more for talent and skill, while Jose’s main interests were hardy and workrate horses, not to forget his efforts to constantly frustrate his rivals!!
If u think that we ‘suddenly’ showed up and became a big team, then u are completely wrong, it took years of hard work and constant building that got us where we are, we dint suddenly jump in and became champs after a relegation battled season did we??even though we were 11 points adrift, we were second and only because infront was a team that dint loose even once in the season, i dont think anybody can do anything about a team who refuse to loose points!!
You say Duff and Gudjohnsen are no longer great players but you forget the main reasons behind it, Duff has been plagued by injuries but nobody can contest that he was one of the best wingers in the league at Blackburn as well as Chelsea, Gudjohnsen was one of SAF’s prime targets, at Bolton he was a revelation, at Chelsea he was a utility man all across the park, but slowly and surely Jose faded him out of the team and then sold him to Barca who use him as less, look at Joe Cole, Cech, Lampard, Makelele, Terry, they are around about as good as they were under Ranieri and Jose!!
Jose has done some great stuff, but to practically worship him as an all-conquering and path-breaking sudden intervention from heaven is completely absurd……..
nope he was signed in jan transfer window in jan 2004 after he had scored 2 outstanding goals from mid park before in the season. even i was in love with those goals that time.
joeblue
“i say Ben Haim is shit and anybody who knows an ounce of football can see that…….”
- Classic joeblue.
- Why do you get so emotional just over some football matters?
- C’mon how old are you (a)13 (b)14 (c)15.
The reason why I am asking you this is anyone at least over the age of 21 can see that TBH has the potential to be an A+ (80-92) football player.
“the 03-04 season, one of the greatest EPL teams to walk this earth no mortal could beat, and not just undefeated but the brand of football he has brought there is unbelievable”
- You can only play quick passes on that under 13 size field?
- Yes the brand Arsene Wenger has given the Gunners is what “unbelievable”. Please pay attention to the next bit I’m about to type.
Arsenal only know one way of football to play and that is those short passes. Look now, they’re playing at the Emarites where they have a ADULT size field.
My dear joeblue what has happended to that “unbelievable” brand of football?
Their is nothing special about playing half the season on an under 13 size field, where one can do nothing but play short passes, and then YOUR ARSENAL play this same “unbelievable” brand of football away from home becuase this is the only way they know how to play!
But this excites YOU?
and Parker was the PFA young player of the year when we bought him, his major setback were the constant injuries that destroyed his career………i say it once again here, Ranieri signed Drogba just before he was sacked!!
joeblue is his own enemy. so much football ignorance. he talks so much sh*t that i don’t know where to start, to respond to him!
I will not be buying my season ticket or any merchandise this time around, until the TOAD leaves.
joeblue
taking another managers signings and use them in your plans is even more difficult and job isnt it? and if joses interest was hardy and work rate horses why did he went for SWP, tiago, kezman, balletti?
if parker was previous yr young PFA malouda was france player of the yr, kezman top scorer along with robben at psv and SWP at his best at city. consider this also.
BTW sinclair as well as ben sahar were also signed by jose in less than 1m. lets see what they bring to us in future.
anyways i think manager has to do a lot more than just signings. tactical thinking, game plans, counter plans for every match, team spirit, winning mentality, man management. do you think a goolie of cudacini callibre would sit on bench and bridge play deputy to ashley had it not been good if not great man management. lehman at arsenal is a good example.
I dont know what wenger has given to football but i know jose has given a hell lot to EPL. It has been raised one level up after his arrival.
@nihongo blue
Jose bought SWP to spite his rivals than for flair otherwise nobody in their right mind wld pay 21 mn pounds for that crap especially if u already have Duff, Robben and Cole, Tiago is supossed to be a defensive midfielder or the ‘hard man’ in the middle as they call it, not a flair player, Mateja ‘i will be better than Henry and Ruud’ Kezman was nothing but a joke, and Beletti?? LOL what are u talkin about, hes a RB and cant even defend proper!!
Parker was PFA young player of the year in the EPL, and if u take one look at this list u wld see why its such a prestigious award(and much more reliable for the Premier League than the dutch or French league awards)!!
And making hungry lions taste flesh is not so difficult a task, why do Jose fans have this hallucination that he made Chelsea a team battling relegation, champions?? we were thereabout, and with the funding going on, the players being top class it wasnt something unexpected or sudden, he dint do a Houdini for heavens sake!!
And by posting this neither am i undermining his achievements nor his tactical ability, he is a very good manager, but not a god as u ppl make him out to be………
@Arthur
i will tell u were to start from, shut ur gob if u cant post a more intelectual response than the one u have…
@Nihongo Blue
both ben sahar and sinclair have been signed by frank arnesen.
@Michael M
your statement here……’anyone at least over the age of 21 can see that TBH has the potential to be an A+ (80-92) football player’ shows how naive u are, football knowledge and understanding is not related to biological age in any way, anyway as far as your asessment of TBH is concerned, i dont think i need to reply, anybody here can guess ur football knowledge by this above statement!!
@Arthur
i m sure you can come up with better arguments or you just talk like this once when you know that you have lost a discussion
“joeblue is his own enemy. so much football ignorance. he talks so much sh*t that i don’t know where to start, to respond to him!”
@Nihongo blue
what joeblue has said,this is exactly my view………….contrary to popular misconception i don’t hate mourinho and neither am i pro-grant……….the point is he is a good manager but he is not anywhere near the god status everyone try to give him here.
the only reason i defend grant at times caus i see double standards and hypocrisy going on………if you want me to explain,i can write a book on that.
@TBF
hey man….hws life??hw hav u been??
BTW its nigh impossible to convince these guys, they are blindfolded with Jose pictures inserted in them……lol
joeblue
Comment no.38 “Nothing Good Would Come With Grant As Chelsea Coach” 18 April 2008 (Wednesday)
what do you mean by ‘Jose had to bring sucess urgently’??
i have been following football(Chelsea fan) for the past 7-8 years, Wenger was never given the amount of money to throw away as Jose had, infact he spends at an avg of 4-5 mn pounds every season(compare that to MR.perfect’s 50mn avg budget), when he came, the league was dominated by Manu, and Arsenal were nowhere in the picture, even then he has made them not only one of the biggest global brands in football but also got them 3 league titles(missing the 99 by 1 point), 4 fa cups, 4 community shields and the 03-04 season, one of the greatest EPL teams to walk this earth no mortal could beat, and not just undefeated but the brand of football he has brought there is unbelievable, he was the only true rival of United(until Roman came along, thankfully for us), and the gems he has excavated out of nowhere, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Viera, Fabregas, Clichy, Cole, Toure that too with such a tight string budget, his contribution to football is immense and the next time u decide to spout crap please get ur facts in order, it does not mater how long one has been a fan or not, but how much one loves the game, the sport itself, go ask urself that first and foremost!!
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“what do you mean by ‘Jose had to bring sucess urgently’??”
- You don’t even know this?
But I would love to use one of your phrases … “i say Ben Haim is shit and anybody who knows an ounce of football can see that…….”
“… anybody who knows an ounce of football can see that…….”
- Classic joeblue.
- Why do you get so emotional just over some football matters?
- C’mon how old are you (a)13 (b)14 (c)15.
The reason why I am asking you this is anyone at least over the age of 21 can see that TBH has the potential to be an A+ (80-92) football player.
“i have been following football(Chelsea fan) for the past 7-8 years, Wenger was never given the amount of money to throw away as Jose had, infact he spends at an avg of 4-5 mn pounds every season(compare that to MR.perfect’s 50mn avg budget)”
- That’s because Arsenal is an estblished brand and every football player wants to play in Europe for one of the big clubs for various reasons(ie. Champions League). Chelsea was taken for a ride by most of the clubs they were buying players from, c’mon all of us big and small know this as a matter of fact, plus Mr. Abromavich wanted instant success and was willing to take the old checkbook out of his trouser’s pocket in order to buy success!
In addition Jose Mouriniho was and is a “kid manager” and was desperate to succeed at any cost, even to go as so far as to tap up Cashley Cole.
Look at it this way, if Arsene Wenger had 50m to spend on players every season would spend that amount of cash?
Yes.
“when he came, the league was dominated by Manu, and Arsenal were nowhere in the picture,”
- It is not rocket-sciene to build a strong team, if you were probably the third biggest club in England. The country where a large majority of profesionals want to play, c’mon please!
” even then he has made them not only one of the biggest global brands in football but also got them 3 league titles(missing the 99 by 1 point), 4 fa cups, 4 community shields ”
- Arsene Wenger is a very good manager, if one were to compare him to other managers in the modern era, or maybe, just maybe, the thing that bothers me is that if the other managers can’t do the small things right how did they even qualify to become a manager in the first place? My dad always and still tells me this “… Michael, if you can’t do the small things in life properly …”
“the 03-04 season, one of the greatest EPL teams to walk this earth no mortal could beat, and not just undefeated but the brand of football he has brought there is unbelievable”
- You can only play short quick passes on that under 13 size field?
- Yes the brand Arsene Wenger has given the Gunners is what “unbelievable”. Please pay attention to the next bit I’m about to type.
Arsenal only know one way of football to play and that is those short quick passes. Look now, they’re playing at the Emarites. Where their is an ADULT size field.
joeblue. What has happended to that “unbelievable” brand of football?
Their is nothing special about playing half the season on an under 13 size field, where one can do nothing but play short passes, and then YOUR ARSENAL play this same “unbelievable” brand of football away from home becuase this is the only type of football they know how to play!
Where is that brand of “unbelievable” football today?
Stopping a ball, passing the ball and then running to recieve the pass must be mind-numbing painfully difficult to do, hey joeblue?
Do you consider this to be rocket-science?
So very, very, very, very, very unique!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, but this is an “unbelievable” brand of football and of course this excites you?
” and the gems he has excavated out of nowhere, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Viera, Fabregas, Clichy, Cole, Toure that too with such a tight string budget , his contribution to football is immense ”
- If you can’t even tell which players has the potential to become great, then you shouldn’t be near the managers desk?
“and the next time u decide to spout crap please get ur facts in order”
- Are my eyes decieving me, look who’s talking about getting their facts “in order”?
” it does not mater how long one has been a fan or not,”
- Correct.
“but how much one loves the game, the sport itself, go ask urself that first and foremost!!”
- You are a definately passionate about football.
I’m not being harsh, because I can see by the way you type you’re an emotional type of person, so take it like a man and please respond?
@joeblue
gave the iit…………upseat,aieee,manipal,srm remaining.
i have given up hope that people will give up their jose-tinted glasses.
do you know what MourofEssien said after we won against le’arse………..we won the match caus of fans chanting jose’s name….lol.
going by this logic everyone at sb should chant those magic lines and we don’t need manager or players……….ball will fly into opposition net…lol
@joeblue
have a good day with michael m……………..his logic even surpasses MourOfEssien’s,arthur’s and AGFRIEND’S logic combined and raised to the power by infinity
joeblue
Sorry about that age thing, my point being that only a kid would not be able to asses a player?
But to put this issue in perspective you think that TBH is rubbish.
TBH has talent, but for some reason you can’t see this.
My analyses of TBH is that his rusty around the edges, but with the right polish he can become a damn good player.
4.Tony Glover
You dont want more foreigners and then you praise Ferreira (Great handball against Barca a few years back)! I’m not blaming JM for everthing but we were winning the premiership till we decided to play with 3 top defenders (A cole, Terry & Carvallho) instead of 4, and of course this got worse with injuries. JM had his faults – if your honest you will know that Gallas would be very useful right about now. I agree 2nd is not that bad but isnt that what AG is achieving? Not AG fault JM got rid of Robben either!
5. MoE
Yes they are not great defenders, not bad for backup but as I said above a good defence takes 4 not 3.
19. AGfriend
Funny! I think your also giving JM (and a coach’s importance in general) too much credence
@TBF
thats great if u need any help or info send me a mail or scrap!!
@Michael M
dude if u think TBH is a great talent then thats ur opinion, so lets take this difference of opinion as it is and move over discussing Ben Haim……..
hey joeblue
its i think ur assumption that we consider jose to be god or sth.. the thing is he was one of the best things to happen to chelsea and would have been best had he seen us till 2010 but there are so many things which we dont know going on behind. Believe or not he brough the fans (atleast me) more closer to the club
i like him for what he did to our club and will always remember his good memories.
Hoping to get an able replacement soon.
cheers
Michael M @ 51 – brilliant comment! keep it comin dude! you simply broke joeblue’s stupid logic and young heart lol! if you had said anything about his god avram grant, he would have even cried lol
joeblue – the only thing you ever do is jose-bashing. you don’t care what the topic is. you keep playing your stupid record all over again. why don’t you stay on topic for a change?
so TBF . . are you supporting grant this week? in january you were, late february and march you were not, in april so far you are. now have you changed?
we’ve always had that hole in central defence and at rightback, mourinho bought the most versatile and highly rated young players to fill cb but never could, khalid boulahrouz, tal ben haim, ferreira, belletti. It isn’t grants fault that ben haim is reserve quality even for relegation prospect bolton.
we are going to see a big overhaul this summer i think. It is likely to see schevchenko return to milan, sinclair will leave, kalou would play very well in a team like portsmouth, swp will go back to man city if sven has a heart, ben haim will go and drogba will leave in a similar fashion to henry unless we sort out the rest of the squad, drogba is getting on and it may be time to bring in new players. we would pick up 30-40mil for those players listed,
we should bring in
cb- someone like carvalo, whose heard of vincent kompany? very versatile, plays for hsv hamburg
rb- someone solid, ferreira appaalling, belletti is a temp because we couldn’t get alves, we need someone solid that can cross like sergio ramos
cm- essien is balanced, ballack is balanced, lampard is offensive and the 4-3-3 formation caters soley to allow him to roam behind drogba with ballack and essien playin true central midfield, ballack is getting old as is lampard, id like to see a defensive player to replace makalele like blaise matuidi from saint etiene and an offensive player like kerlon or joao moutinho
lb – wayne bridge is shameful to watch, he has good moments and is better with the ball than cole but is mistake prone and costly for club and country, bring in leighton baines or real madrids marcelo
wings – the best teams in the world have brilliant left wingers, barcelona and messi, man utd giggs and nani, real madrid and robben, valencia and silva even derby were reslient with giles barnes, we were unstoppable when robben was fit and this season, our best has been with an on-form malouda who is struggling i think, with the premier league so in the likelihood he does not adjust, a left winger should be bought. even if barca let messi go, i don’t think the left side is for him
striker- we have an out of balance attack, we rely on overlapping pace and long shooting of midfielders, when they can’t cut it, we send long balls to drogba who usually finishes unless we have good opposition, we need another big centre foward who poses threat outide box like adriano or moussa dembele and a very quick striker like david villa
we are unlikel to fill those voids but those are our weaknesses
Trueplatinum, there are a few players in there that I would agree with if we attempted to sign them this Summer.
The first one I agree with is Joao Moutinho. He is not yet known in England and I think that this could mean that a bid for him under the noses of the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool could well see us claiming his signature. That is if they are not watching him closely already.
Secondly, Marcelo would be a fine acquisition to the squad, he’s only 19 and looks very sharp on the ball. With him and – possibly – Alves running forward and delivering balls into the box, we would be very, very dangerous from the wings. Add Joe Cole to that equation and we are very nearly unstoppable.
Finally, I would love to see Silva being brought in at right midfield. The guy has pace to burn and can deliver menacing balls into the box, he’s also very young and is fairly versatile. If we were to bring in SWP on the right hand side, Silva could always move into the middle and be just as deadly with his passing ability.
I’d love to see Sergio Aguero sign too, it would take a lot of money to prize him away from Atletico but he could be the perfect foil for Anelka next season. He has a lot of energy, has more strength than it first seems and although he is not great in the air, Anelka would always be there to get on the end of crosses with Aguero stealing in at the far post.
I don’t think we should have a total reshuffle in the Summer, a few vital signings in the right places could be exactly what we need.
true, all we need is a wingback, left midfielder and strong striker, aguero would also be near perdect, my only concern is if he would handle the physicallity of barclays premiership