Posted by BlueChampion in After a week of intense criticisms from all quarters, Avram Grant has hit back the media with his side of the arguments. While Grant cries foul, let’s look at this season’s statistics to see if Chelsea has really progressed under the leadership of Avram Grant.
Grant says that media is over-reacting after just one defeat. No no no. It’s not about one game. It’s about how we have been playing for many weeks and how poor we have become compared what we were before. We have scored only 7 goals in the last 8 matches (excl Huddersfield). We are not even creating chances, so it’s not a question of bad finishing or ill-luck. We are yet to score against Arsenal, Man Utd or Liverpool in the league.
Here is Grant’s record against top 8 teams. Out of a possible 21 points, he’s scored 7 points.
Chelsea 4-4 Aston Villa (Draw)
Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool (Draw)
Chelsea 1-1 Everton (Draw)
Chelsea 6-0 Man City (Win)
Arsenal 1-0 Chelsea (Loss)
Man Utd 2-0 Chelsea (Loss)
Portsmouth 1-1 Chelsea (Draw)
This cannot even called as decent, leave alone ‘good’. I give all the own goals and offside goals to him. Still this is not good.
We have scored less goals (38) than Arsenal (56), Man Utd (55), Aston Villa (50), Tottenham (48), Everton (43), Liverpool (43) and we have Portsmouth (37) and Blackburn (36) are closely behind us. We were never this goal-scarce even under the supposedly defensive-minded JM. In fact, contrary to public opinion, we outscored all or all but one in the last three seasons.
How have we improved in attack and defence, I don’t know!
P.S: If possible, I’ll add some more stats later on.
Dude, the numbers don’t lie! I sense that there will be more debate between Mourinho supporters and M_D (gee, I miss “boring” football). But, that’s beside the point.
Grant has been awful! He has to make a miraculous turn around in order to gain the confidence of both fans and the players. There is simply no way in the world we can think there is harmony in the dressing room with this kind of handwritting on the wall. A couple of more losses and Chelsea’s morale will be a horror movie. Things could get so ugly that Rikjaard, Hiddink, or whomever would rather manage in America than Stamford Bridge.
Man, I hope Chelsea beats the Hammers. I hope the players can be professional enough to stick together until the season ends. The alternative looks really scary!
That’s pitiful. Mourinho always got his players up for big games, it was the small teams we played down to that would beat us.
[...] may feel that the current dissatisfaction with Grant extends further than just one match, as the statistics of his season so far will attest, but for better or worse, I do not like to indulge in the numbers [...]
12 games to go out of 36 if we get 30-34 points we’ll have a good chance of 2nd may be first who knows????
we score 1 and defend thats why we conceed i dont think we have many
1-0 wins in the league we have 1-1 or 0-0 draws more in number
Only AG or RA for that matter doesnt see the stats.
But chelsea is a much better team since AG took over, damn fool
If he is next season our manager i will not buy my season ticket,
thats a fact.
Not Grant that must win to restore confidence, the players must do it, they are good enough
to do it without any output from that monkfish, thanks God it is against WH, imagine if they were playing ManU or Arse or everton for that matter.
And after that playing the CL favourites olympiakos and after that the FA cup favourites Barsnley LOL LOL LOL.
@Everyone
A Little exercise for everyone in here[you too BC]……Just be unbiased and select the player on the basis of form.
Selct the best player on the basis of form and please be unbiased
1.Cech-Reina-Almunia-Van der saar
2.Cudicini-Izthadi-Lehmann-Kuszchak
3.Belletti-Finnan-Sagna-Gary Neville
4.Ferreira-Arbeloa-Eboue-Wes Brown
5.Carvalho-Agger-Toure-Vidic
6.Terry-Carragher-Gallas-Ferdinand
7.Ashley-Riise-Clichy-Evra
8.Bridge-Aurelio-Traore-?????
9.Obi mikel-Mascherano-Gilberto-Hargreaves
10.Essien-Alonso-Flamini-Carrick
11.Lampard-Gerrard-Fabregas-Scholes
12.Ballack-Benayoun-Denilson-Anderson
13.Joe Cole-Pennant-Hleb-Cristiano
14.Malouda-Kewell-Rosicky-Giigs
15.Drogba-Kuyt-Adebayor-Tevez
16.Anelka-Torres-Van Persie-Rooney
17.Sheva-Crouch-Eduardo-Saha
expecting replies
AG only lost 2 games (put the Man u game under JM!!)
stats are good when you dont manipulate them
what about wining% ?
losses in carling cup u consider but not wins ?
your patetic
change Manager Please!! or bring back The Special One
BC
When you give stats you need to be very carefully not to manipulate the figures
It takes an honest Pearson to cut the stats so it would be fair to both sides you want to compare,
like a politician style you can play with the numbers and cut it as you wish.
As I see it you are wrong in 2 ways
1-the way and things you compare (part of a season compeered to full seasons)
Not taking to consideration the terms of which there is a huge deference of what you chose to compare
Like who built the team?
Like injuries along the way?
Like the other top teams shape?
Your parameters as goal scored per game are good but goal scored rank is nothing to do with stats, just like goal conceded per game is good stats to know but not the rank (it means that if you’re on top in scoring or less conceded your opposition teams are bad)
I hope I make my point
2-your absolute numbers are wrong – I call you to double check
One thing that is clear, JM was going down from his first season to the point he left very consistently!!!
Any ways if you really want to compeer JM and AG you can only do it at the short time AG is running the club and that is the 20 league games that he is the manager with all the games that came between (15 more), compared to JM last 20 games as the manager and all the games that came between (13 more)
I think that this kind of compeer is very very premature but I think you need to see the numbers to understand that it was childish of you to give this blunt manipulated data at this time, by looking at the numbers your theory just fall apart.
Wining at league games
JM-60% AG-70%
Wining overall
JM-60.61% AG-75.72%
Clean sheet
JM-48.48% AG-65.71%
Point at that 20 league games
JM-43 points AG- 47 points
Goals per game overall
JM-1.55 AG-1.71
Goals per game only EPL
JM-1.5 AG-1.7
I am putting out here 2 tables
One for JM one for AG
Read the numbers and get back to me
JM last 20 league games stats +13 more games along that time
total games 33
total wins 20 60.61% Percentages
total d 11 33.33% Percentages
total l 2 6.06% Percentages
total scoring 51 1.55 per game
total considing 21 0.64 per game
clean shits 16 48.48% Percentages
goleas difreance +30
total league games 20
league wins 12 60.00% Percentages
league d 7 35.00% Percentages
league l 1 5.00% Percentages
league points 43 2.15 per league game
total points 71 2.15 per game
english cups w 5 83.33% Percentages
english cups d 1 16.67% Percentages
english cups l 0 0.00% Percentages
cl wins 3 42.86% Percentages
cl d 3 42.86% Percentages
cl l 1 14.29% Percentages
AG stats(after 20 league games) +15 games along that time
total games 35
total wins 25 75.76% Percentages
total d 8 24.24% Percentages
total l 2 6.06% Percentages
total scoring 60 1.71 per game
total considing 18 0.51 per game
clean shits 23 65.71% Percentages
goleas difreance 42
total league games 20
league wins 14 70.00% Percentages
league d 5 25.00% Percentages
league l 1 5.00% Percentages
league points 47 2.35 per league game
total points 83 2.37 per game
english cups wins 8 88.89% Percentages
english cups d 0 0.00% Percentages
english cups l 1 11.11% Percentages(the most importent)
cl wins 3 50.00% Percentages
cl d 3 50.00% Percentages
cl l 0 0.00% Percentages
Just to be fair and clear (stats must be fair and clear)
The lose to Man U 2 days after JM was sacked is not either of them, even I think it should be under JM list ,but if you put it under AG it won’t do any deference ,
The reason for that is,
in that case I would need to add another league game to JM stats and that would be the lose to Liverpool at Jan 20 2006( to make it 21 league game to compeer.)
Israeli – I want to prove to me which figures I provided were wrong. I’m waiting for you. Look at each of the stats I had give and PROVE to me which was incorrect.
I didn’t fudge the stats like ‘last 35 matches of a coach vs first 35 matches of a coach’. I just gave season stats and AG’s record against top 8 teams. Prove me wrong.
BC
goal scored you say 1.46 per game when its 1.71
goeal conceded you say 0.65 oer game when its only 0.51
just for starter
Man Utd loss is under AG only. If AG had won big games after that, I can think otherwise. You give one year, he would still be scratching his head. He would not have made one bit of difference against Man Utd. I also believe that AG is a backstabber and got this job through evil means. Karma will be upon him soon.
btw, Israeli you’re way of comparing numbers is a nonsense. I thought you didn’t know about football. Now I realise that you don’t know anything about statistics and logic too! LOL
Israeli @ 12.
That shows how much you follow football mate. I’ve given the list of matches above. I hope you can solve the puzzle yourselves. I’m ready to provide more evidence to show that the numbers given by me are indisputable.
I’m looking forward to your response.
BC
if some how i will have you e mail i will send you the excel sheet i did and you can see im totaly right
Still you haven’t noticed why your figures and mine are different. C’mon you can do better than that! And btw, I don’t invite virus, have fun with you excel sheet.
BC
you cant say that if a team score 60 goals in 35 game the avg is not 1.714
just like when they conced 18 goals in the same 35 games the avg is not0.514
tell me i am wrong
Okay! Let me help you. I had considered only the premier league matches (didn’t think it was so hard to find out). It helps AG to consider the average of all matches so that our exploits against the league one and league two teams would skew the average. Sorry.
The statistics I have provided are 100% correct. Now I have updated the post with evidence also. Sorry Israeli, I have to disappoint you!
BC
It’s ok for you to insist that your numbers are right but I still think you’re wrong
With the Man u lost AG had 21 games as manager
Scoring 35 –that’s 1.66 per game
Concaving 11 – that’s 0.52 per game
Points per match 2.238
All 3 stats are better then last season
As you know I think the Man u lose can’t be on AGs list so there for the stats for 20 games are
Scoring 35 –that’s 1.75 per game
Concaving 9- that’s 0.45 per game
Points per match 2.35
All 3 stats are better then last season
Any ways I still think that this kind of stats are premature .
israeli – why can’t you understand simple things? what’s wrong with you? BC’s number are very simply put and i’ve also checked the correctness.
these are premier league stats. and understand that man utd’s loss comes full under AG. if you’re thinking otherwise you must be joking. why don’t you understand basic things?
let me tell you that one of the important reasons why I HATE Grant is because of you. That’s because you’re trying to say as if he is the master manager. He is a clueless guy who got the job only because he is also jewish like RA and happened to be a close friend of RA. there is NO OTHER REASON.
even if Chelsea score 6 goals every match with a cleansheet, the credit will not go to AG because we all know he knows nothing. he is a joker who walks around scratching his head not knowing what to do. the real manager is ten cate, steve clarke and even john terry. AG is just a rubber stamp guy.
and he is responsible for the stats of the whole season and not just his matches. when he wins something, is he going to give credit to JM for those points earned by his this season or can he blame JM for the loss and draw during his period this season(which he will surely do)? if he was not happy about the position when he took over, he should not have taken over.
he got the job because this was his biggest job in his life. it was for that moment he was going around pally pally with billionaires and RA fell for him. i know quite a few israelis who tell me the inside stories about his cheater.
and please quit this place. this is for chelsea fans and you’re just an AG fan. if AG quits Chelsea would you still be following Chelsea. NO. So please get off.
israeli – mate, i’m afraid you need to do all schooling all over again. lol! very good post BC. you make a lot of sense.
Please israeli dont be stubborn against the evidence.
You getting bored israeli, BC stats are there to all to see
they are the true stats man.
C’mon it is ok that you support your countryman,but do not be
like him, that only sees what he want to see.
Stop it the stats in the article are correct. period.
Now go back to the “petition” and sign AG MUST GO.
Once more a heard
Go to the numbers you morons
Let’s give AG the Man U lose
And now for the test
First grade
21 games, 35 goals scored =___ per game
21 games, 11 goals conceived=___ per game
AGfirend -cuz you’re so dumb you are allowed to use a calculator
Two flaws in your understanding:
1. Look at the table again. It was just a comparison of four seasons, irrespective of who was managing. Read it again, just comparison of points and goals over the last four seasons.
2. This post was written before the West Ham game. So naturally, those 4 goals were not included.
But the pity is Israeli, you have so much interest in the minute details that you completely miss the bigger picture. Anyway, it was never my intention to convert an AG-Fan or something.
I stand by statement and numbers. They were ALL correct.
@Isreli
You think you are the only smart ass here trying to send AG support through different names and now comparing him with jose.You talking about manipulated stats to BC however your own comparision only you can validate.. not me.
These 13 games of jose include champions league 2nd round , quarter final and semi final (6 of 13 ) and FA cup final and semi finals however grants fa cup and carling cup initial round matches and CL league games. What a comparision !! reallly smart ass.
AG 20 league matches show only 1 defeat .wow !! It should be two against man utd and arsenal. CHEAT !!
League points should be 44 for AG else we would have been at par with man utd in points.
isreli grow up and leave these cheating habits . Be a man.
man utd loss is purely grants loss!!!
with the Man u lose its 47 points!!!
lol we dont get points off for a lose
What this statistic shows is very simple ,only blind can’t see :
A CONSTANT ,STEADY DECLINE IN THE TEAM PERFORMANCE SINCE JM TOOK OVER FROM RENIERY.
It is the same team AG inherited ,same players ,older and somewhat over their best.
More than anything else it shows that other teams improved while Chelsea declined steadily from 04/05.
grand you too old this team is champion this team need smart coach like jose is best you good but where Shevchenko best playr in tha world let him play but diffend in tha game ajex john terry see i hope you leav chelsea
The season has come to an end…
After Jose – For Chelsea to climb from where it was (Jose’s departure) to finish 2nd in the league, Grant had only improved the team. No 2 ways about it… So Grant has done a good job? … or at least the beginning of Grant was better than the end of the Special One?
Before Jose – And looking at the contributions of the players acquired by Raineri and Jose may tell us more about the 2 bosses…